blondie posted a link to a short bio on the gb members and i noticed something i hadnt seen before.
these guys all have to be of the 'annointed' but jws say the calling to be of this class ended in 1935. whats with these very young new members?.
guy pierce-- 1934-- less than a year old- infant baptism?.
And how come we can't get a count of who is already up there in heaven a hundred and thirty six thousand or what?
The count was well over 200,000 by the end of the 3rd century. As any Church history book will tell you. 19th and 20th century JW's never had a chance of being in the first 144,000. Robert V Frazier
remember the watchtower and awake!
used to print articles with experiences of how people bought items at garage and yard sales, and after bringing them home, were bothered by unseen spirits or demons?.
well, what is the world's largest garage sale in existence?.
Anyway, I told my JW mom about the suitcase, and she said "I'd never shop from there. You don't know who used to own it. It could be possessed."
Okay, assuming for a second that this could be true, why would it only be dangerous to buy second-hand goods? Couldn't pagan or "Christendom" manufacturers (which must surely outnumber JW manufacturers by thousands to one) install demons right at the factory? Seal 'em in with the shrink-wrap? Why not? Who hasn't heard of computer programs bought brand-new off the shelf that had computer viruses?
Robert V Frazier
straight from the article friends... .
*** w61 12/15 pp.
767-768 questions from readers *** .
I posted the article with commentary over at CARM: http://tinyurl.com/cm8mg I think this article is absolutely typical of the quality of writing and research of ALL Watchtower Society writings. Including their magazines, books, and Bible "translation". The banal idiocy of their writing is in my top ten reasons why I would never become a JW. If they were really God's organization, or even honest people who were committed to producing quality work that they want taken seriously, they would write better than they do. It's baffling. Their artists can draw and paint. Why can't their authors write? It does give one understandable reason why they never sign their names to their drivel: embarassment. Well, understandable, but not believable. Who can seriously imagine the authors of the tripe the Society publishes being embarassed by anything? They obviously have no shame. Robert V Frazier
if evolutionists .
creationist tactics:
they'd still be teaching piltdown man, 60 years after it was proven as a hoax.
What do you mean, "If?" They use nearly all of those tactics right now, and worse.
Still teaching the peppered moth "proof", long after that's been proven a hoax.
Still teaching you can make a giraffe by selective breeding of short-legged and short-necked animals.
Read Asimov's Bible commentary.
Okay, not too much of that. They prefer made-up or bogus biology degrees, earned without doing any research.
Yep, they do that now.
Standard procedure.
What else have they got?
This one they haven't thought of yet, as far as I know.
Been doing that for years.
They are as fond of misquotes as anyone at ICR.
Plenty of evolutionists do this on the internet. Ignorance and bad manners abounds on both sides of this controversy.
That's right, you can't at most institutions.
Come on, that would presuppose that evolutionists can do research!
I think you meant to write "ark" in there. Don't know where you pulled that stat from.
Jurassic Park, the movie, I presume? Plenty of evolutionists did criticise it.
They did that to the British Museum when it wouldn't claim that all species are part of one big tree of life.
Yeah, they prefer to print their litter in the textbooks. But there is no end of cartoons, comic books, movies, TV shows, et cetera ad nauseum preaching the gospel of evolution.
They do that now, and seem to believe that it discredits Christianity.
Robert V Frazier
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http://media.fastclick.net/w/get.media?sid=5160&m=5&url=http%3a//www.ucomics.com/nonsequitur/2004/02/26/
the gb in the early, formative stage.. robert v frazier
The GB in the early, formative stage.
Robert V Frazier
i'd like to get the complete text of page 179, where it used to say that the people of sodom and gomorrah would be resurrected, but in the 1989 edition, they changed their minds and said that these people would not be.
if possible, i'd like to see the paragraph before the change, the paragraph after, and all the text that is different.
i've found this much on the internet:you can live forever in paradise on earth, 1982, first ed., p. 179, paragraph 9. .
Thanks, jgnat. That's just what I was looking for!
Sassy, I know the quotes I found were accurate, but I'm in a discussion with a JW on another board, and he's not even aware the Society changed its mind and changed the text of the Live Forever book accordingly. I wanted to document it for him.
Not under any delusions that he will accept it even so, but now if he ever comes across a 1982 copy, he'll remember I told him beforehand.
Robert V Frazier
i'd like to get the complete text of page 179, where it used to say that the people of sodom and gomorrah would be resurrected, but in the 1989 edition, they changed their minds and said that these people would not be.
if possible, i'd like to see the paragraph before the change, the paragraph after, and all the text that is different.
i've found this much on the internet:you can live forever in paradise on earth, 1982, first ed., p. 179, paragraph 9. .
I'd like to get the complete text of page 179, where it used to say that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah would be resurrected, but in the 1989 edition, they changed their minds and said that these people would not be. If possible, I'd like to see the paragraph before the change, the paragraph after, and all the text that is different. I've found this much on the internet:
You Can Live Forever In Paradise On Earth, 1982, First ed., p. 179, paragraph 9
By saying this, Jesus showed that at least some of the unrighteous people of ancient Sodom and Gomorrah will be present on earth during Judgment Day. Although they had been very immoral, we can expect that some of them will be resurrected. (Genesis 19:1-26)
You Can Live Forever In Paradise On Earth, 1989 ed., p. 179, paragraph 9
It will truly be a grand privilege to be resurrected on earth during Jehovah's great Judgment Day. However, the Bible indicates that it will be a privilege that not all will enjoy. Consider, for example, the people of ancient Sodom. The Bible says that the men of Sodom sought to have sexual relations with 'the men' who were visiting Lot. Their immoral behavior was so extreme that even when they were miraculously struck with blindness, 'they were wearing themselves out trying to find the entrance' of the house to get inside to have intercourse with Lot's visitors (Gen. 19:4-11). Will such terribly wicked persons be resurrected during Judgment Day? The Scriptures indicate that apparently they will not. Yes, for their excessive immorality the people of Sodom and of the surrounding cities suffered a destruction from which they will apparently never be resurrected. -- 2 Peter 2:4-6, 9, 10a.
Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance,
Robert V Frazier
as a trucker stops for a red light, a blonde catches up.
she jumps out of her car, runs up to his truck, and knocks on the door.
the trucker lowers the window, and she says "hi, my name is heather and you are losing some of your load.".
that sod one was hilarious, i've never heard that before
Yep, but it works better when it's told correctly -- What's shouted out the window is "GREEN UP!". Thus implying that he's asking for green paint to be sent upstairs where he is. What green SIDE up could imply, I can't imagine.
Robert V Frazier
does anyone know of any specific cases of jehovah's witnesses who were disfellowshipped because of celebrating any of the forbidden holidays -- christmas, easter, birthdays, etc?
i have a discussion going with a jehovah's witness who claims that he doesn't know of anyone ever being dfed over that.. thanks in advance,.
robert v frazier
Thanks, everybody. I was aware of the policy, in a general way at least, but I wanted to get some actual examples of it having happened. For the discussion I'm in, DF or DA makes no difference. You've all been a real help!
Robert V. Frazier
does anyone know of any specific cases of jehovah's witnesses who were disfellowshipped because of celebrating any of the forbidden holidays -- christmas, easter, birthdays, etc?
i have a discussion going with a jehovah's witness who claims that he doesn't know of anyone ever being dfed over that.. thanks in advance,.
robert v frazier
Does anyone know of any specific cases of Jehovah's Witnesses who were disfellowshipped because of celebrating any of the forbidden holidays -- Christmas, Easter, birthdays, etc? I have a discussion going with a Jehovah's Witness who claims that he doesn't know of anyone ever being DFed over that.
Thanks in advance,
Robert V Frazier
