Dakota Red, thanks for taking a clear stand against the phrase "spiritual endangerment " as cause for seperation or divorce. Yes, such a general phrase offers generous support to a "believer" poised for seperation or divorce and ironicaly undermines their spirituality.
Siddhashunyata
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Knowledge Book, Separation and Abuse
by IslandWoman inthe 1995 edition of the "knowledge that leads to everlasting life" book states on page 122 paragraph 11: those living together as husband and wife should make sure that their marriage has been properly registered with the civil authorities.
(mar 12:17) they also need to view wedlock as a serious responsibility.
true, separation might become necessary in cases of willful nonsupport, extreme abuse, or the absolute endangerment of spirituality.. .
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Did anyone really ever study?
by freedom96 ini know we were taught to study all the wts stuff.
prepare for each meeting, prepare for service, (gotta know the articles) etc.
i mean with all the personal study to do, how could anyone have time for newspapers, novels etc.
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Siddhashunyata
In the late sixties I began to collate all the scripture indexes and, using several copies of the NWT, I began to create a Bible of scriptures that the WTBTS did not comment on. As the project developed I was shocked to see what was left out. I felt like I had looked "behind the curtain" and found out something that no one could explain. I felt sad for everyone.
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Is Jesus God's Master Worker?
by Tower Man ini have a simulated discussion with chris, a christian and john, a witness on my web site.
they discuss whether jesus is really a master worker.
see what you think.. http://www.towertotruth.net/masterworkerpt1.htm.
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Siddhashunyata
Interpretations of significant metaphors does not lead to peace.
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Is Jesus God's Master Worker?
by Tower Man ini have a simulated discussion with chris, a christian and john, a witness on my web site.
they discuss whether jesus is really a master worker.
see what you think.. http://www.towertotruth.net/masterworkerpt1.htm.
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Siddhashunyata
The discussion demonstrates how absurd it is to try to find truth through ideas. There is no peace except through direct knowing. Demonstrations like this need to be seen for what they are, exercises in futility.
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Our Lives Are Worthless
by Undecided ini've been in a strange mood lately.
i keep thinking what difference does anything matter.
in a few years we will all be dead anyway and anything we did won't amount to anything.
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Siddhashunyata
All phenomena are impermanent. That is the law of space and time. To find what is permanent you must observe the source of all phenomena which means you must observe your own mind. That which is permanent rests within you but it is obscured by the mind's erroneous understanding of the nature of phenomena. This is not about "Belief" which is a product of thinking. This is about direct "knowing".( which is the only way to peace).
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WT Hypocrisy vs. Protecting Children/ SL
by Siddhashunyata inthere is a growing concern that silentlambs is dealing with two mutually exclusive issues.
the hypocrisy of the wtbts is one issue and protecting children is the other.
additionaly there is criticism of bill bowen's, at times, "down home" approach to dealing with the wtbts.
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Siddhashunyata
There is a growing concern that Silentlambs is dealing with two mutually exclusive issues. The hypocrisy of the WTBTS is one issue and protecting children is the other. Additionaly there is criticism of Bill Bowen's, at times, "down home" approach to dealing with the WTBTS. ( ie his letter indicting the GB and requesting a judicial hearing). Given the history of Silentlambs and its intimate relationship to Jehovah's Witnesses and considering Bill's personal sufferings and accomplishments I think it would be fair to say that these issues are not mutually exclusive . Given the dedication of Mr. Bowen I think it would be fair to say that he deserves to be given some "room " to be as human as the posters on this board. What I can"t understand is why, on the heels of the N.Y. march, others are suddenly warning the "lambs" under the guise of "Freedom of Expression" or of some non -realized threat of "putting all their eggs in one basket", why at this point are these ideas being raised. They seem to me to be premature at best and imply a self serving intellectualizing of a living movment that is finally making a difference. It seems a little like "showing off ".
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Silentlambs, The Letter, The World, and Justice.
by BeautifulGarbage infirst off, let me express that bill bowen would not know me from any stranger on the street.
i have never spoken with him, or have i ever corresponded with him.
the only information that i have of him is what i have read of him on this forum and on silentlambs.org.
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Siddhashunyata
There does seem to be two things Bill Bowen is confronting. (1) protection of children (2) the general hypocrisy of the WTBTS. It might be useful to list the pros and cons of co-mingling these two issues . One expressed "con" seems to be that public support is endangered by co-mingling. Another is that important resources are misdirected away from the victim's cause. Are there any "pro's" , that is positive effects from co-mingling the above issues under the auspices of Silentlambs?
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Have you always voted according to your conscience?
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IF YOU COULD HAVE JW'S OUTLAWED, WOULD YOU?
by minimus insince so many are vehemently opposed to jehovah's witnesses, if it was in your power, would you simply outlaw the witnesses?
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Full disclosure requirements of : their mehods, techniques and expectations. This would serve to curtail their advancement under the protection of the First Amendment. No need to outlaw them. Their success stems from subterfuge and deceit!
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BLACKMAIL question
by lisaBObeesa ini have been having thoughts.
(i know, i was shocked, too, heheheheheheh) please give me some input, because this keeps going around in my crazy little head .
you want to leave the jws, but you are told you are free to leave, but you will be announced as da and you will loose all contact with your family, because they will believe you have done something very very bad.
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Siddhashunyata
Under the First Amendment freedom of religion is interpreted to mean that the individual has the right to CHOOSE his religion. Therefore it is assumed that every Witness chose their religion and the courts refuse to get involved unless the WT itself breaks the law or is a threat to the public at large. That'ts why the law suits against the WTBTS are very specific about the laws that may have been broken regarding reporting abuse to the police etc. The courts need to focus on the modern day methods of coercion and psychology that are now used by high control groups such as are being used by the WTBTS . Because of these methods the freedom of choice is being subverted. One way for the courts to act is to require full disclosure of the policies and expectations of the WTBT. This might take the form of a requirement that they disclose ,at the door, the polices that are currently being challenged as unlawful. Another way is to require that it be made known at the outset that if a person becomes a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses he will forfeit certain civil and human rights that he now has under the First Amendment such as Freedom of Speech . This would alert the public and act as a cautionary factor in the assumed freedom of choice.