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Would you believe me if I told you?

by spinner in

i grew up with parents who hated jw's.

my grandmother was a secret.

witness,no one ever knew.

spinner

This is Spinner again---I know this is all very hard to believe, so I am giving you a small part of the research I gave the Society :

IMMUNODEPRESSION: Study on carbohydrates shows 100 grams of
orange juice significantly decreased the capacity of neutrophils to
engulf bacteria. After 5 hours, the control values were still below
normal. Hospital librarys contain the research data you can request:
Study on carbohydrates: Sanchez A et al. Role of sugars in human neutropilic phagocytosis. Am. J. Clin. 26:180, 1973 also: Cheraskin
E. Sucrose, neutrophilic phagocytosis and resistance to disease. Dental Survey 52(12):46-48,1976

SMOKING CAUSE AND CURE: Hyperestrogenism can be experienced by both men and women, and symptoms are anxiety, irritability and nervous tension, etc., Ingested animal fats are synthesized by anaerobic bacterial flora producing female hormones in the cancer causing form, estrone, estradiol and 17 methoxyestradiol. Smoking, exercise, and
vitamin B6 all lower endogenous estrogen levels and decrease risk for
cancer. Research of GE Abraham, Premenstrual tension syndromes;A Nut-
tional approach. Anabolism 5(2):5-6,1986. Also, Cramer DW et al. JAMA April 11, 1986. also, Follingstad AH. Commentary: Estriol, the forgotten estrogen? JAMA239(1):29-30, 1978; Cole P., MacMahon B. Estrogen fractions during early reproductive life in the aetiology of best cancer. Lancet 1:604-6,1969 and more upon request.

Research suggests the removal of caffeine, sugar and reduce salt, and
reduce or eliminate dairy, and calcium. Also, animal protein ingestion produces 50% more hormones in the bloodstream, most likely because of the fat.If you think you need meat, boiling the trimmed, lean-type meat might have tolerable amounts of fat.The use of olive oil(studies show inactivates bacteria) instead of butter or margarine goes along with this. Digestive enzymes should be taken with every meal , or use Adolf's meat tenderizer (protein enzymes) on cooled meat. And Abraham suggests B6 500 mg. sustained release form daily will decrease symptoms. RBC magnesium was found to be significantly lower than normals, 400mg.daily ( eat whole grains, high in mag ) suggested by Abraham GE, Lubran MD. Serum and red cell Mag. levels in patients with premenstrual tension. Am, J. Clin Nutr. 34:1264-66,1981 (studies also show water with chlorine kills enzymes-so avoid drinking. You might have to boil water if spring water not available
or bottled).Exercise moderately, frequently!! Good Health to You!!

To withhold this info (not only promotes illness )but someone is choosing who can be in good standing by not telling them research is available to easily quit smoking. They are playing GOD. Spinner

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fallen angels

by largo in

i was really bored when i found this forum.

i didn't think it that a community of witnesses chatted and carried disscussions on the internet.

how refreshing i though!

spinner

Largo! so glad to hear from one person who truly needs to read my,
"Would you believe me if I told you?" Do you drink orange juice?
ONE WHO LOVES JEHOVAH, and the REAL TRUTH. Spinner

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Would you believe me if I told you?

by spinner in

i grew up with parents who hated jw's.

my grandmother was a secret.

witness,no one ever knew.

spinner

I grew up with parents who hated JW's. My grandmother was a secret
witness,no one ever knew. She taught me to love Jehovah. I never regretted that. But when I became an adult, I got MS, and died in
1992,Dec., and was revived. During that time, I was bed-ridden for 9 months, almost completely unable to walk, I had lost 90% of my vision, and was just bones. So, as I improved, I used the time to
seriously study medicine, and Hebrew and Greek. I had lots of time!
My husband cared for me 24 hours a day, and I was lots of work. I owe
him my life.
Well, I, like a good JW, gave my research to the Society. I found out oranges, and orange juice encourage bacterial infection. Also, I found out why the human body craves smoking. and the natural cure. I gave the info to a JW naturepath in Texas, who said it was very important research and to put everything down in writing and send it to the chief of staff in the infirmary in Wallkill, NY. I
sent the letter, with all the medical references, and when I received a letter, several months later from the "Brothers" in NY asking for more info. my husband bought a 31 ft 5th wheel trailer and we went to New York as I had said in my original letter to the Wallkill Doctor, that further research could only be given in person.
My husband was being very generous, as he was never a JW, and we had to travel from our home in Montana, all in all, a large expense for him.
Would you believe, we got to the headquarters, and they said no
letter could be found from me and no letter could be found from the society inviting me to give more info? They kept us in a room all day until 5 PM, (we only left for lunch) and then they said that if
we did not leave immediately, they would call the police and have us
arrested for trespassing!! My husband and I were totally shocked.
We thought there was some mistake, and waited for a week and called every day to see if the error had been corrected.
After that treatment, I knew no one wanted my research, and so I
stopped going to meetings. After 1 1/2 years, I got a call and the
local brothers said if I didn't come down to the kh immediately, they
were going to take committee action against me. I was told later I
was disfellowshipped and called an apostate from the platform. To make a very long story short, I found out the brothers at my local KH have access to my private phone calls, and are involved in the fraud
ulent taking of my husband in a guardianship. We are being divorced
against our will, and everything we have is being taken.
These people are causing the death of my husband from medical neglect. My house has been broken into, I have been repeatedly threatened. I am listed in the courthouse as attempting to murder
two people. I nearly starved to death the first year my husband was
taken, as all our money was removed from our bank, and all our stocks were cashed. My husband's retirement money goes directly to the so-
called guardian. I can't work.

What happened to my intention of helping the brothers?

I believe the doctor is a false brother. He must want to steal my research for himself and thinks he can do so when I am completely
homeless, and discredited as an abuser of my husband, and an attempted murderer.

But I have research he doesn't have. I have been giving it to
everyone I can think of. I also wrote the GB and told them the story this doctor must not want them to know. After almost 2 weeks, I've
heard nothing. By the way, I called three weeks ago, and the Bethel family still has orange juice at breakfast!!

Thankyou for listening. I believe only God himself can help us
Spinner

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advice needed--please respond

by lisaBObeesa in

jw
friends

this is a question my df mother would like me to post for her:.

would it be morally right to go back to the jws, even though she doesn't feel it is god's org?

she would do this in order to speak with her life long friends and her youngest daughter, all of whom are quite emotionally distraught due to her dfing.

spinner

Dannybear,thankyou for your comment!!

It's truly comforting to know there are actually people who do
care about us. You made me cry. I have had no one for years. If
I told my story, no one would believe me, and the few who did would run as far and as fast as they could from the WT org. Believe me, they would never consider going back for ANY REASON-- They are sadistic, and are as someone put it only a money making organization.
Because of my research, I am a great threat to their continuity. I left the org, and after 1 1/2 years, they called me and df'ed me. It does no good to just walk away. I have made great strides this year at ending this so-called religion. Babylon the Great will fall soon. Spin

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advice needed--please respond

by lisaBObeesa in

jw
friends

this is a question my df mother would like me to post for her:.

would it be morally right to go back to the jws, even though she doesn't feel it is god's org?

she would do this in order to speak with her life long friends and her youngest daughter, all of whom are quite emotionally distraught due to her dfing.

spinner

Dear LisaBObeesa,
I feel very sad for your Mom. I understand the hurt she must feel, and it is close to the feeling of death. I will tell you about
me. I left because I did research and was horrified at the incorrect
teachings. I was in the org all my life. Now, I have no friends, I lost my husband, all my children, and you know what? I HAVE THE TRUTH. There is no price you can ever put on the real TRUTH. I would
absolutely never go back. The reason, is that your relationship is
with Jehovah, and how is HE going to view your staying in the real
Babylon the Great? Your influence could help others eventually to
get life by steadfast stance of searching for the answers. There is no life in the KH. I will be your friend, Much Love Spin

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So Who's An Evil Slave Then?

by Englishman in

jw
friends

in my teenage years, my father elected to serve where the need is great.

the end result was that we upped roots and moved to yeovil in deepest, darkest somerset, cider-drinkin country where most of the locals were yokels.. the tiny congregation, about 30 or so, met in a hired 2 storey hall on the edge of town, a building that had been used by the jw s for many, many years.

the 2 storey building shared toilet facilities on the ground floor.. the first day that we attended a meeting in yeovil was strange to say the least!

spinner

Englishman :You are asking about part of the answer Jesus gave to his disciples when they asked, in the book of Matthew," When will these things be, and the sign of your parousia,and of the conclusion of the system of things?"
The entire 24th and 25th chapters are His answer.

I have a question for you, if you are exJW's, why do you always try to answer everything using the WT line of reasoning? First they never look at the entire setting of the scriptures in question. You must ask yourself in this instance, what questions were being answered by the comments about the evil slave? Then you are off to a good start. Then look up the key words in the original Greek. Try to understand the original meaning not the one the NWT most often incorrectly shows. Most key words in the entire 24th chapter are completely mistranslated. That's most likely why you left
the org. It just didn't make sense. I would give you all the Greek corrections, but so far no one seems to appreciate my efforts. Spin

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For all x-JW's: quick question.....

by Kathy in

jw
friends

if you remember, i've been inquiring about how to discuss jw issues with my boyfriend's sister.

it appears she is accepting the watchtower driven interpretations of the bible, but we are still not giving up.

if you are willing, would you respond, in a nutshell, to the question, "what is the doctrine or belief that the jw's hold that was most instrumental in leading you to abandon this religion?

spinner

Kathy,Hi!!
First of all, I didn't leave Jehovah's org. I disfellowshipped
them. I took Jehovah with me. I started studying in Hebrew and Greek
and found that so many JW doctrines were based on scripture translation errors, I was shocked. When you read the Bible as it is
really written you don't recognize it. It is a real book of poetry, and actually makes sense. If anyone wants a list of translation errors and the references to check for themselves I will be happy to
make a list. Spin

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How do the anointed know they are?

by jayhawk1 in

jw
friends

i have a question that no elder has given me a good explanation on.

how do the anointed jehovah's witnesses become that way.

i heard that somehow their spirit is born along with the holy spirit.

spinner

Dear Jayhawk1, My opinion differs from everyone. The life of one of
the 144,000 was somewhat seen in the life of Job. He was tested greatly, and it was done so to show if his love for Jehovah was conditional. Ofcourse, we read he never cursed God,etc., therefore passed the test. Well, we read in Rev 12:10 where it says "Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, BECAUSE the accuser of our brothers
has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God."
(just like Job)
If you were the object of Satan's attacks, you would start thinking
you were of the anointed. It would be ongoing until you proved be-
yond a doubt you were worthy. verse 11 says: ".....and they didn't love their souls even in the face of death." If you read Rev 7:3 it says,"Do not harm the earth or the sea, the trees, until after we have sealed the slaves of our God in their foreheads."
I believe when they are sealed, that is death, as they must "follow
Jesus everywhere He goes" And at that point they qualify, the testing
is over.
The 144,000 run in my family, and the HOPE of heavenly life never
was a part of their thoughts. We all believe that Jesus will return
to the earth*** and they will be here doing their job of taking directions from Him to bring the earth back to perfection, a big job.

***Hebrew 1:6 "But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: and let all God's angels do obeisance
to him. see also Hebrew 9:28 "and the second time that he appears it will be apart from sin and to those earnestly looking for him for
their salvation." Spin

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Sign of the Beast

by seedy3 in

i just finished watching a program on the book of revelation.

it was a very interesting program.

but one thing i came out with was a puzzle.

spinner

Larsguy,

It's obvious you do a lot of thinking, and studying. But there
are some things you cannot possibly know until certain events occur.
For example, the NAME of the BEAST will become known by media events that have not yet happened. By understanding, you will be one of those few, who are saved because only those righteously dispossed will be able to. This knowledge is going to cause great division among those who love Jehovah.

HINT: read Rev 13:17, which says, "nobody can buy or sell unless they have the mark of the beast" A better, and more accurate trans.
would say, " ONLY those with the mark of the BEAST buy and sell.IN
OTHERWORDS, those who do not keep the Sabbath. This is a very revealing scripture to identify the name of the BEAST which means
LAWLESSNESS And remember, Jesus no more fulfilled the Sabbath law,
anymore than HE fulfilled the other 10 commandments. He fullfilled the sacrifices, which brought sinful man back into relationship with
God. And when man no longer sins, the sacrifice is removed. And what is sin? Romans 3: 20 says," for by law is the accurate
knowledge of sin". also, Paul said, in Romans 6:15," Shall we commit a sin because we are not under law, but under undeserved kindness? Never may that happen!!" Therefore all said: sin = not obeying God's law.

God's laws = treat others how you
want them to treat you.

Why is it so hard?, spin.

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Sign of the Beast

by seedy3 in

i just finished watching a program on the book of revelation.

it was a very interesting program.

but one thing i came out with was a puzzle.

spinner

Larsguy,

I beg to differ with you on "nobody knows the day or hour".
Read Matthew 24:48-51...It says "if that slave.. should say 'my master is delaying',.... and should beat his fellow servants (etc) the master of that servant will come in a day when he does not expect him, and at an hour of which he is not aware. So the opposit here is that if the slave obeys his master, he will know exactly when HE IS COMING. Also, the word for slave is not masc gender, but neuter. A woman gives birth to the kingdom. I believe actions of ONE person whom God is guiding, will know when Jesus will be here by the
accomplishments of their work. By the way, now that we are at Matt.
24, the word translated the domestics (verse45),tes therapeias, is actually translated everywhere in the Bible," the healing", not the
domestics.

You also say the above statement,"nobody knows the hour" refers to the second coming of Jesus, not armageddon. Tell me, just what does it mean at second thessalonicans verse7," the revelation of the Lord Jesus from Heaven with the Angels of power in a flaming fire dispensing retributive justice to those not acknowledging God, and to those not being obedient to the glad tidings of our Lord Jesus. '????
If this is not armageddon, what is it?

Another point I need to make, when there is no law, there is no judgement.(romans 4:13) The Book of Daniel 12:11, says" and from the time that the constant feature has been removed and there has been a placing of the disgusting thing....." The constant feature, is the
continual sacrifice(see footnote at bottom of Lrg. Brown NWT) of Jesus removed, because it is no longer needed as the laws are being kept by righteous individuals, and the judgement can commence.
Romans 2:13 says, "For the hearers of the laws are not the ones righteous before God, but the DOERS OF THE LAW will be declared righteous."

To put this all in perspective, The faithful and discreet slave,a woman (tes parousia), does the work she is guided to do, that of providing the tree of life here on earth (for healing) for those who obey the commandments (see Rev.22:14 diaglott shows oldest Mss trans.) Righteous persons start keeping the laws, and the disgusting thing that causes desolation is put in place (armageddon)--the flaming fire of Jesus and his powerful angels. People who love God, and obey His commandments find the location of Jesus because they recognize the apostasy, and the man of lawlessness in connection to the woman (parousia) who the mol ties to destroy her and her seed, those who keep the laws (Rev12:17) by publically degrading her personal integrity. Keep awake, the future holds events worth
examining.

Also, Jesus has not fulfilled the Sabbath. The Sabbath fulfilled is God's Kingdom. HIS healing on the Sabbath was a preview of that day. Love to truth seekers