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  1 Thessalonians 5:3....Prophecy ?

  by HereIam60 in

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  i've always had difficulty understanding how watch tower interprets 1 thessalonians 5:3 as prophetic of a future event - that the nations will unite in a (false) cry that they have achieved 'peace and security' which will signal the start of the great tribulation.

  whenever i've read that passage i got the sense that it is simply stating a general principle... that when people are complacent and off-guard, thinking everything is o.k., peaceful and secure then sudden unexpected events hit them harder and they don't know what to do.

  when i was first coming in (1980s) i well recall the "true peace and security" book that made a big deal about the un having declared 1986 'the international year of peace'.

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  1 Thess 5:3 is not a prophesy.

  The Watchtower liked to use that scripture because they like future prophesies to lead people.

  First to have a prophesy, there must be a prophet to relay it. Paul was not a prophet. Paul was a historian and he was just comparing the history of Israel from the past to how it will again play out in the future.

  The nations are not the ones declaring peace and security. I was the people that did that in the past because they had temporary peace such as when Babylon went against Jerusalem and when Rome destroyed Jerusalem. Any connection to the future would be about the wild beast attacking the harlot and then a break in the action and people would declare peace and then they both would be destroyed.
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  Do JWs see the org falling apart?

  by ThomasDam21 in

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  i have been away from the jw cult for many years.

  i don't have any family i talk to that are in it.

  so i don't know if the jws as a whole are seeing the cult fall apart or if they or the majority of them are head in the sand la la la the end is neigh.

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  What I see is the world falling apart. People play stupid games and they win stupid prizes. Ones in the organization don't do that.

  Seabreeze still does not understand the theology.

  No one works for salvation. Paying for sins by dying is not about trusting Jesus. It is the sentence for sin that we all have. Jesus will fix that during the 1000 year reign. There is no soul continuing on after death regardless.
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  New GB member Judy Jedele critizing Job's "humility" while wearing $20,000 Rolex, gold cuff links, coloured suit. Incredible!

  by WingCommander in

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  2. friends

  i swear, you can't make this shit up!

  for years and years growing up in this cult, i had to constantly hear from my parents, from the stage, in the literature, about "keeping your eye simple", not being "materialistic", not "having a showy display of one's wealth.

  " of course, this never seemed to apply to the wealthy business owning elduhzzzz who ran and lorded it out over the congregations, but i digress.

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  Why are you focusing on what people do? You let people stumble you?
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  Oral and Anal Sex flip flop? March 2025 Announcements and Reminders

  by ukpimo in

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  2. beliefs

  just in.

  a jaw dropping announcements and reminders for elders this month.

  how can you serve as an elder and believe this organization is spirit directed after reading this letter?.

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  This should also apply to medical issues and higher education because generally people would not discuss medical issues with other or even educational things.
  
  Also, Witness women shouldn't have adult toys either. No need for that stuff.
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  Don't you just love LITERATURE truths?

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  as jw's we swallowed such concoctions for years - without a single scripture provided as proof!.

  w71 12/15 p. 759 - "apparently, the apostle peter was the chairman of the governing body on the festival day of pentecost of 33 c.e., and the disciple james, the half brother of jesus christ, was the chairman at a later date, according to the account in acts of apostles.

  from this, and from what historical evidence there is available, the chairmanship of the governing body rotated.".

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  The apostles and older men there were not acting as a governing body. They were not seeking or making new rules or laws.
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  144,000 + 1 kings

  by moomanchu in

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  i wonder why so many kings are needed for the millennial reign?

  the almighty governing body says 24,000,000,000 people combined from those resurrected and the survivors of the big 'a' could make it into paradise.

  that gives you 1 king for every 166,665 persons.

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  If there are 24 billion people to be resurrected and there are 365,000 days in 1000 year reign, that means that 65,753 people will be resurrected each day. Jesus spreads the work and delegates that to the 144,000 to assist.

  And Blonde, why does it matter what Rutherford taught?

  I like to not look at who taught want and stick to the realities.
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  What will happen to the Watchtower Religion now that Trump has Withdrawn from certain aspects of the United Nations.

  by liam in

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  so trump has signed an executive order to withdraw from the united nations human rights council, a refugee organization, some others parts as well and calls for a review of american involvement in funding of the united nations.

  he said the united nations has not been living to its potential and they need to get their act together or just dissolve the organization completely.

  he said america will continue to be a part of the un but it's tiring that the united states is the country that funds most of the monies and that can't continue.

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  What is a Watchtower Religion?
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  How Do JWs Understand Salvation & What Is Needed to Obtain It?

  by LauraLynn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from my experience within the jw organization, i understood that salvation meant a person accepted the teachings of the wbts without question as the "faithful and discrete slave," thereby placing their trust in them, not jesus christ.

  salvation consisted of being found "righteous" by jehovah and resurrected to everlasting life in an earthly paradise.

  to obtain this salvation, one needed to obey the organization's teachings, remain a faithful jw, and lead a moral life.

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  Mainstream teaching?

  Is that supposed to be better?

  Mainstream just means that it is popular which means that it is not right.
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  UNBELIEVABLE! Actual chat conversation with an active pioneer JW.

  by deaconbluez in

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  i don't think so lol.

  lol.

  lol.

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  Are we supposed to read that and care?

  That's as dumb as those youtube videos about how someone stumped one of Jehovah's Witnesses as if one person brings everything down. Do better.
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  Beliefs clarified - A big fat WTF for 2025

  by ukpimo in

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  2. beliefs

  jehovah’s witnesses have an official page for clarified beliefs they encourage elders, ministerial servants, regular pioneers, as well as all the rest of the elite, to keep up to date with:.

  https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200277174.

  2025 has a curious clarification:.

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  "The Bible does not provide details as to what sexual practices between a husband and a wife should be considered clean or unclean."

  
  

  Why does it matter what the Bible provides as for details?

  The reason that they always refer to the Bible is that they need an authority to look to. But yet it's not necessary.