Posts by Gig

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everone is in confusion

by zolensky in

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friends

i joined this site last week hoping to meet people that would steer me back to the organization.

instead the people i have talked to her are all trying to tell me too see the light and get out of the organization.

in my opinion, not that it matters, i really think that if a person had the truth deeply ingrained in them, they would never leave the truth.

You said that if anyone had the truth really ingrained in them, they would never leave. They will if the so-called truth is false, and they have. Many here are examples. The truth is naturally ingrained in us, we want it and need it, but some need it more than others...usually those that are so convinced they already have it.

The WT controls your behavior by controlling information. At the same time the only info you're allowed is controlling your thoughts that produce your behavior. The easiest way to control your thoughts is to control your emotions. It feels good to please Jehovah, there's nothing better, but humbly submitting to some organization so-called His arrangement is not going to do it.

What seems to be ingrained in you is untrue, but the truth doesn't need you to be true. None of us are perfect either, which we'll freely admit. Be careful if you go back not to boast, God created foolishness for that very reason.

Gig

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Perfect

by Gig in

jw
friends

how about a little friendly competition?

who can offer the best example of perfect irony?

for example, the wt teaches that we should regard the wt mag just as we would the word of god yet they also teach that they never claimed to be infallible and that you should have checked for yourself, all your fault for the mistake.

Gig

How about a little friendly competition? Who can offer the best example of perfect irony? For example, the WT teaches that we should regard the WT mag just as we would the word of God yet they also teach that they never claimed to be infallible and that you should have checked for yourself, all your fault for the mistake.

Actual quotes get bonus points. If someone stole your idea vote for theirs, although I can't even begin to believe we could cover them all. I hope this soon has a little flaming folder next to it. Hey, let's counter our bitterness with a little exposure along with a laugh. Who's in?

Gig

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How would you answer?

by sunshineToo in

jw
friends

i hate hearing, "you left jehovah?

" as if i abandoned god.

i get angry.

Gig

You get angry because of the rediculous contradiction that they try to push on you. They line between God and the WT GB has been removed. A good witness is one who never doubts, never questions, always trusts, and always obeys the Org. The smallest peek into their history would convince anyone with an open mind of the danger. But their minds are closed, all in the name of the Almighty according to the WT, what a terrible irony. They can no longer see the difference. My advice? If you don't want to argue, just reference the Bible, it plainly says to trust God NOT men. I know they have a hundred arguements prepared for you, and in their minds they are well pleasing to Jehovah because of it. It's simple, you insist on the truth. The WT's own instructions (for those possible candidates) is to reject your religion if it hasn't been truthful and/or dishonest. This actually gives me an idea, watch for a new topic soon called "perfect."

Try not to get angry, it only encourages them and makes it easier to dismiss you.

Gig

35

mmmmm beer :)

by Jesika in

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friends

i know alot of people don't like beer, but i have been drinking beer since i was 7 yrs old.

i love the stuff!!!.

i was drinking bud light but my bf drinks dark beer (which i hated), but from kissing him for more than a yr now.

Gig

mmmmmmmmmmmmmbeer. I prefer amber beers...Red Hook ESB, Alaskan Amber, DosEquis Amber, and that Amber Bock is also good. I also enjoy wine, mainly merlot.

Sorry so short, I've got to go to the package store. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmbeer.

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Funny Instructions

by WildTurkey in

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friends

some examples of why the human race has probably evolved as far as possible.

these are actual instruction labels on consumer goods.... .

on sears hairdryer:.

Gig

A friend of mine bought a superman costume for his son, they got home and the boy couldn't wait to try it on. His son raced upstairs and a few minutes later his dad heard running footsteps, a moment of silence, a big crash, followed by crying. He runs upstairs and asks his son what happened. His son, still crying, and with great disappointment says, "it doesn't work."

True story, enjoyed a laugh at the rest too envisioning why they would need to offer such cautions and instructions. There will always be greater and lesser than yourself.

Gig

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At the top

by Gig in

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friends

do you believe that the gb members, and the wt writers are consciously aware of their dishonesty and deceit?

i really can't imagine, after reading so many of their articles and books, that the manipulation is by chance.

it's one thing to really believe what you are writing will help people and try to maintain authority when doing so, but i've found too many examples of outright verbal abuse.

Gig

Do you believe that the GB members, and the WT writers are consciously aware of their dishonesty and deceit? I really can't imagine, after reading so many of their articles and books, that the manipulation is by chance. It's one thing to really believe what you are writing will help people and try to maintain authority when doing so, but I've found too many examples of outright verbal abuse.

Can you picture the WT writers discussing their work with the GB and talking strategy and tactics? I can't see any other way to accomplish such controlling language than if they are fully aware of their attempts to mislead. You have to admit, at a glance it all sounds pretty convincing, very crafty writing...but once you have reason to suspect a problem, it's really not hard to see the real message...and then the crafty writing seems so deliberate.

Do they know full well they're doing exactly the opposite of what they insist the readers do? Can it literally be evil and wicked at the very top (or is it the bottom) and they know it? Can we take any comfort in knowing the GB has a guilty conscience? It would be nice, what do you think?

Gig

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Meetings 2 much like enimas to go anymore.....

by WingCommander in

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friends

yeah, you heard me.

the meetings are too darn much like having an enima to even bother to go anymore.

i get the same message from only attending about 8 meetings a year to hold me over.

Gig

I agree that the meetings are redundant and predictable, I honestly wonder how those who have been witnesses for years cannot come to the same conclusion. The Word is alive and is supposed to do the same for us. The WT is all about fear closely followed by intimidation. JW's never truly relieved because they are never allowed to get there, their real identities are purposely suppressed in favor of the JW identity, which we all know is what is required of them to be pleasing to the almighty org.

This whole cult thing continues to amaze me.

Gig

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Mormon scandal brewing in Washington State

by Mulan in

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friends

my youngest son brought this article to my attention.

very, very interesting.

it was in the seattle pi, yesterday, december 2.. student risks ire of mormons.

Gig

All I can say is WOW, and appreciate the possible comparison to JW "light".

Thanks for sharing,

Gig

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Have you ever...?

by Gig in

jw
friends

i just ordered steve hassan's books, combatting cult mind control and releasing the bonds.

have any of you read either of them and have any comment...particularly about his strategic interactive approach?

thanks in advance.. gig

Gig

I just ordered Steve Hassan's books, Combatting Cult Mind Control and Releasing the Bonds. Have any of you read either of them and have any comment...particularly about his Strategic Interactive Approach? Thanks in advance.

Gig

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Need to help my Mother

by LostinSpace in

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friends

im sure you have all heard the same sort of story day in day out on these forums'...but i need help.. my mother has been a jw for over 20 years now.

during my childhood i was taken to kh every week (my father wasn't/isn't a jw and was always working away).

during my school years i was "mentaly" abused by other children because of my mothers beleifs.

Gig

The biggest advantage you have is the fact that unconditional love is MUCH stronger than conditional love. Do everything with pure love and you will win. Your patience will be tested but you should never argue...they are well trained for that. You should be familiar with their doctrines and their favorite 'supporting' scriptures, but that is not the place to start. She has to have her own reasons to question their interpretations and authority and that will take time, probably LOTS of time. Don't ever give up, you really do have the truth on your side. Make sure you understand not so much what she believes, but why she believes it. Help her draw the line between the WTS and God Himself.

I am also one of those who is thankful to have the friends here to help, and am also trying to help someone 'out'.

Gig