RuAdub - Since you are a disfellowshipped individual, I will politely acknowledge your comment to me, however i cannot say hi to you. Hopefully you will come back to the organization soon.
objectivetruth
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If a Disfellowshipped person partakes and later goes to heaven .... how long does the shunning up there continue?
by RubaDub inany thoughts?.
maybe a good qfr article.. rub a dub.
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If a Disfellowshipped person partakes and later goes to heaven .... how long does the shunning up there continue?
by RubaDub inany thoughts?.
maybe a good qfr article.. rub a dub.
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objectivetruth
I'll answer your question using the Bible, as I don't think it would be appropriate to answer a sincere question such as yours, using personal speculation.
Lets first look at Leviticus 25:8 - “You shall count seven weeks of years, seven times seven years, so that the time of the seven weeks of years shall give you forty-nine years." to get an idea of the meaning of seven years see Daniel 9:24 - "“Seventy weeks are decreed about your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place."
So far it is clearly established that 49 years are discussed in these 2 scriptures. You will notice in the B part of 9:24 that this is Indeed related to the transgression you are contemplating. however since you will be in Heaven, we need to use another scripture to fully understand the punishment. well first jump back to Leviticus where we see 7x7 = 49 so we are dealing with 49 Years and also seventy weeks. (A side note.. The 49 years is for someone that is not anointed but still partakes , however the 70 weeks are added if that person is Disfellowshipped at the time.) We know to look at a year as 1,000 years (when in Heaven)
2 Peter 3:8 - "But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."
Now we have 49 Years = 49,000 Heavenly Years + 70 Years = 490 Years or 490,000 Heavenly Years - that is 539,000 years.
We have only 2 more steps to consider.
539,000 is significant from a Gematria Stand Point.
We will not focus on the 000 and only the 539 - this Brings us to. Luke 5:39 - "And no one after drinking old wine desires new, for he says, ‘The old is good.’
This is with certainty pointing to a Reinstatement Meeting that will be held after at least 6 months or 504,000 years.. At this time you will need to write a scroll addressed to one of he members of the Current Governing body and show that you are repentant. Essentially by saying that "the old is good" you are confessing that you understand the error of your ways and you understand that you were a member of the great crowd and not the 144.000. If you show a sincere attitude you have the chance of being reinstated (Resurrected) to an earthly paradise.
One very important word of caution though.. This is an unforgivable sin in one sense.. We can see that in Numbers 6:3 - he shall separate himself from wine and strong drink. He shall drink no vinegar made from wine or strong drink and shall not drink any juice of grapes or eat grapes, fresh or dried.
If you do not wish to Drink Vinegar with the Wine removed, I'd admonish you to reconsider.
Wait on the Governing body my friend.
With Christian Love,
OT
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144000 Literal or Figurative?
by why144000 inthe speaker at the memorial tonight stated straight up that the 144,000 is a literal number as we will stop celebrating the memorial when jesus 'arrives' and takes the few remnant with him.
how can the society change the 144,000 to figurative without blowing themselves out of the water?.
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objectivetruth
Greendawn - Could the " male and virginal undefiled by women." be relating to Gentiles that have not been Defiled by the Woman Babylon the Great, The Great Harlot?
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144000 Literal or Figurative?
by why144000 inthe speaker at the memorial tonight stated straight up that the 144,000 is a literal number as we will stop celebrating the memorial when jesus 'arrives' and takes the few remnant with him.
how can the society change the 144,000 to figurative without blowing themselves out of the water?.
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objectivetruth
With this in Mind, I do not feel that 144,000 has to be Literal.
The number twelve speaks of governmental perfection or rule.
1000 has the same meaning as 100 and as 10. Because 1000=10x10x10, and 100=10x10. The meaning is COMPLETENESS of God's plan.
14 is the double of 7, which implies Biblical perfection.
The fourteenth day of the first month is the Passover, when God delivered the firstborn of Israel from death. Some 430 years earlier, on the night of the 14th day of the first month, God made two covenant promises to Abraham — one of the physical seed, Isaac, and his descendants, and one of the spiritual seed, Jesus Christ, and the sons of God who would come through Him, who would shine like the stars of heaven (Matthew 13:43). On the day portion of the 14th, God confirmed the promises with a special covenant sacrifice.
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144000 Literal or Figurative?
by why144000 inthe speaker at the memorial tonight stated straight up that the 144,000 is a literal number as we will stop celebrating the memorial when jesus 'arrives' and takes the few remnant with him.
how can the society change the 144,000 to figurative without blowing themselves out of the water?.
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objectivetruth
Within the Body of Christ - (Gentile Christians) It would not make sense to have 2 Classes, seeing that they all have Jesus as their Ransom, and their Requirements of faith are all the same, although Due Credit may be given to Christians that have ben Beheaded and or Martyred.
However Jews come through the Seed of Abraham, and seeing that Many Jews Rejected Jesus, and turned to Worshiping False Gods, it Absolutely makes Sense that "144,000" would be Elected & Receive special Treatment, those that did not Reject Jesus, and have remained Faithful to YHWH and Yeshua.
You can get an idea for this concept here :
Romans 11:7 " What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened, 8 as it is written,"
Romans 11:11 - " So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous."
Romans 11:16 - " If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches."
11:18 -"do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you."
11:20 "They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith."
11:28 - " As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers."
11:29 - " For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable."
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607 vs 587 BC - Cyrus Cylinder
by objectivetruth inhi everyone,.
i'm researching 587 vs 607 for the date of the destruction of jerusalem... i'm not doing the research to prove or disprove anything about 1914, rather i'm looking at these dates in comparison to 1948 & 1967.. what is your view on relying on the cyrus cylinder, to accept 607 as the correct date of destruction... i know that there are many other factors.. but i'm trying to keep this portion of my research as simple as possible, so i'm primarily interested in the appropriateness of using the cylinders date of 537 + 70 = 607. one other question.. is it likely that both dates 587 & 607 have their own significance?.
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Anomaly & All others,
Wow! Thank you so. Uch for your input, I can see that you have all spent a lot of time on this.
I will check out gentile times reconsidered..
one other question, does any one feel that Daniel 11:21-45 possibly applies to Nazi Germany and Hitler during ww2?
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144000 Literal or Figurative?
by why144000 inthe speaker at the memorial tonight stated straight up that the 144,000 is a literal number as we will stop celebrating the memorial when jesus 'arrives' and takes the few remnant with him.
how can the society change the 144,000 to figurative without blowing themselves out of the water?.
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objectivetruth
If the Number is Literal, shouldn't the Tribes be Literal as well?
If literal only Jews comprise the 144,000
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The Dilaudid Delusion
by Zoos inhey folks.
just need to check in.
due to an injury, i had to start taking some pretty powerful pain killers and stayed on them for about 1 1/2 months until i finally had surgery this past wednesday.
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objectivetruth
Usually when I am experiencing withdrawals from one type of drug, I just substitute it with another drug with different effects.
Coming off a downer > Take an upper
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A new religion??
by Crazyguy inwas the ot books of the bible an attempt by the priestly class of the hebrews to build a religion.
i have discovered that some of the 10 commandments may have come from hammurabi's laws.
tithing 10% coming from the egyptians and phoenicians, the god el which is named in genesis as the supreme god came from the canaanites, several of the verses and stories in the bible taken from other cultures.
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Where is El at in Genesis?
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607 vs 587 BC - Cyrus Cylinder
by objectivetruth inhi everyone,.
i'm researching 587 vs 607 for the date of the destruction of jerusalem... i'm not doing the research to prove or disprove anything about 1914, rather i'm looking at these dates in comparison to 1948 & 1967.. what is your view on relying on the cyrus cylinder, to accept 607 as the correct date of destruction... i know that there are many other factors.. but i'm trying to keep this portion of my research as simple as possible, so i'm primarily interested in the appropriateness of using the cylinders date of 537 + 70 = 607. one other question.. is it likely that both dates 587 & 607 have their own significance?.
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objectivetruth
The first period of seventy years spanned from 606 BC until 537 BC, known as the Babylonian Captivity. The second period of 70 years came 19 years later from 587 BC until 518 BC, which was known as the period of Jerusalem’s Desolation's . On the 9th of Av 587 BC, the Temple was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar.
From what I have found.. This is an accurate statement. Agree?