Posts by imallgrowedup

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What causes the ups and downs of this Forum?

by gumby in

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why is it at times this place is hopin with posters eager to speak and spend more time here?

what causes it to lag and move slow with less excitment?

is it me, is it the moon, is it just the way things go, what the hell causes it?

imallgrowedup

Listen.......I'll try to remedy this thing and just post more often, ok?

Thanks, Min! Of course, this doesn't mean that I don't still lust after you in pantyhose!! growedup

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The UN Posts Their Letter!

by jgnat in

did our letter-writing campaign work?

http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/watchtower.pdf.

here are some lovely instructions drafted by syn, and hosted by valis, on how to navigate to the site yourself.. http://www.sassquatch.com/syn/un_ngo_letter/.

Pardon my ignorance, but would faxing or mailing letters to the congregations really do that much good? The reason I ask is because I seriously doubt whether any of the letters would be posted on a bulletin board for all to see. At best, the elders would read the mail, and those who don't already know the story, will ask Bethel, who will feed them the library card excuse and that will be it. We are back where we started. Is there a benefit I am overlooking?

Another thought: would it be more beneficial to get a phone campaign going to Bethel (from concerned "active" dubs!) whereby they are soooo inundated with phone calls that they only way they would get any work done is to make a general announcement?

Just wondering....

growedup

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NGO For The Advancement of The Truth In Certain Countries?

by Doubtfully Yours in

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since the wtbts isn't readily accepted in certain countries or territories, i wonder if this is one of the reasons they joined the un.

you know, to negotiate their acceptance or perhaps to promote stopping persecution in certain countries.. your thoughts please.. dy

imallgrowedup

DY -

Please forgive me for sounding like a smart-ass but ....

DUH!!!!

It is not the reason why they affiliated with the UN that is in question - it is the fact that they did so when any other active member who affiliated themself (if it were possible) would have been disfellowshipped and thrown into the Lake of Fire for doing so! It's about calling the UN the Scarlet Beast and then affiliating themselves with them! It's about the hypocrisy! It's about the lies!

See this thread for more info:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/68047/1.ashx

growedup

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Has anyone called Brooklyn acting as a concerned dubbie..to get their spin?

by BONEZZ in

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kinda curious as to what the front desk is saying?

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imallgrowedup

Great response, Quotes!

Bonezz - perhaps we should make our next campaign to call Bethel - and inundate them to the point that they will have to make a general announcement to the R&F in order to get any work done??!!

growedup

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NGO Why then?

by confusedjw in

what would be the *real* motive then, if not the library card, for the wtbts to become an ngo?

is it possible someone got confused or misinformed that they needed to become an ngo to continue with the library?

i can't for the life of me figure out the motive.

imallgrowedup

Dear Confused,

Welcome to the board! You have come to the right place to get your questions answered. Please feel free to ask whatever you need in order to satisfy your curiosity. There are so many here that want to help and support you, and who can also direct you to places to find additional information. It sounds to me as if this UN thing has got your world spinning - just know that there are many others whose footsteps you are following in, and they are glad to have walked that journey - as difficult as it has been at times. I promise you will find true friends here.

You ask:

What would be the *real* motive then, if not the library card, for the WTBTS to become an NGO? Is it possible someone got confused or misinformed that they needed to become an NGO to continue with the library? I can't for the life of me figure out the motive. Did being an NGO get them some other perk or status?

In order to answer this question correctly, you need to look at the function of the UN and what the benefits would be for an entity to be motivated to affiliate themselves with them. The simple and hard truth of the matter is that the UN is the most powerful political body in the world. The WT affiliated themselves in order to have influence with this powerful political body. Why? Because they have realized that in order to keep the organization growing, they need to have access to people in other countries who are not allowed religious freedom. The WT knows that the advent of the Internet is a huge factor in the declining numbers in developed nations. (Did you know that they now count people they didn't use to include in their numbers, including infants, in order to bolster their numbers to appear as if they are not losing membership as quickly as they are?) Because of the Internet, JW's log on, do a search on Jehovah's Witnesses or Watchtower, and all their misdeeds pop up for anyone who is interested to read. Although they will do anything to grow the numbers in developed nations, including banning Internet usage if they have to - they know that any real growth they are going to see will be in areas where people are less educated and have little or no Internet access. They need political access - especially to the UN to further their cause - and not for reasons they would want you to believe. If they ever quasi-truthfully admitted to their political affiliations and reasons for doing so, they would say it is in order to advance The Kingdom. However, the truth of the matter is because they are first a publishing corporation (who ranked in the Top 50 companies in the City of New York, over the past several years, btw) and and second a religion. They use "volunteer" labor to produce and print their literature, and "volunteer" labor to distribute it. They have it better than 99.999999% of the corporations in the world who must pay labor costs and payroll taxes out of their pockets, and who can not hide behind relgious laws and tax exemptions. The WT purposefully affiliated themselves with the UN in order to have access to influence political laws and opinions. Not only that, but the WT had to renew their UN affiliation every single year - and the affiliation rules have never changed since the inception of NGO's in 1968.

It is absolutely not possible for the WT to have been misinformed as to library access. There is no requirement for any type of UN affiliation in order to gain access to the library on the UN campus (aka: The Dag Hammarskjold Library). If you chose, you could walk in there today and read anything you wanted or check out anything you wanted. The difference, however, is you may get disfellowshipped for doing so if you were caught. To illustrate even further the deception involved, the UN has "Satellite Depositories" whereby anyone can go in and ask to have specific books/information sent to that library in order to check it out themselves. In other words, there is no need to even go to the UN campus in order to gain access to it's library materials. In fact, there is at least one Depository Library that is closer to Bethel than the UN Campus itself.

Here are some links to back up my statements:

UN DPI website which includes the DPI NGO mission statement, application, requirements for admission and affiliation renewal, and NGO benefits (note: the library is never mentioned in the "benefits" section):

http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/index.html

UN documentation on the creation of NGO's:

http://www.un.org/partners/civil_society/docs/ngo1297.htm#association

Link showing WT submitting articles for UN approval:

http://www.unhchr.ch/udhr/materials/articles.htm

Links showing WT using NGO status to further their cause:

http://www.pnc.com.au/~fichrist/echr1.html

http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/Hudoc1doc/hedec/sift/3641.txt

http://www.aph.gov.au/hansard/joint/commttee/j2444.pdf

http://www.cesnur.org/testi/EUintolerance_07.htm

http://www.greekhelsinki.gr/english/pressrelease/ngo-petition-23-10-2000-osce2000.html

http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache:tSZ6dbuNaIQJ:star.xq23.com/cr105/r105d18se7.html.html+Congress+Watchtower&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache:SbAncJsZZ2EJ:the-true-jw.oltenia.ro/+Congress+Watchtower&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Links showing WT affiliation with political lobbies:

http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache:uzpXOrC49HQJ:www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/56712/1.ashx+Congress+Watchtower&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/60988/1.ashx

Links showing other entities the WT has affiliated with in order to further their agenda:

This one shows them in bed with the Baptists, the Mormons, RealCampaignReform.org (a politcal lobby that wants to abolish public access to entities which make donations to political candidates and parties), the Electronic Privacy Information Center and others:

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/00-1737.htm

Links to Dag Hammarskjold Library (including access, check-out procedures, and a listing of Depository Libraries):

http://www.un.org/Depts/dhl/

Links showing WT wealth:

http://www.newsday.com/business/printedition/ny-cvtop52369349sep17,0,1489230,print.story

http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:ErNkDh2V1s4J:www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/53692/1.ashx+november+watchtower+deficit&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

How YOU Humiliate the Watchtower (4/1/04)

by metatron in

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take a good look at the april 1, '04 watchtower, with its garish 'wild beast' on the cover.. now, wouldn't this be a perfect opportunity to show a picture of the un building being .

destroyed at armageddon?

wouldn't be a good idea to blast the churches of christendom.

imallgrowedup

but they could just be getting ready to "re-apply" for association.

Interesting thought, although I have a feeling that since the UN has seen so much literature that has been sent to them showing what the WT really thinks of them - AND - they created a new link just to explain the WT association with them, it would be very difficult for the WT to fool them a second time. IMHO, the only way that would happen is if they created another corporation with a very different name and snuck in under the radar. In fact, it would not surprise me in the least if they have already done that.

40 -

Its funny how they pulled out in October of 2001, a month after 9/11/01. Were they thinking of a polictical backlash, or that the "end" was here and they wanted no part of the destruction of the "wild beast". Or was it just a change in the hierarchy?

They pulled out when their asociation with the UN was exposed. If the information had never surfaced, they'd still be "loyal" NGO's.

growedup

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Need Input! Overcoming Active JW Objections re: Letter on UN Website

by imallgrowedup in

the letter the un posted on their site regarding the wt affiliation with the un is great news!

kudos to everyone who made this possible by taking the time to write the un!

although most on jwd see this as a big victory, most have expressed that there will probably be many active jw's who will find it suspicious or will turn a blind eye.

imallgrowedup

40 -

Sorry to hear that. I hope someday your chipping will make a big enough dent for him to wake up.

growedup

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How do you think the WT will explain the letter on UN site?

by imallgrowedup in

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inquiring minds want to know!!!.

growedup

imallgrowedup

Cypher -

Forgive me here - I don't get copies of the Watchtower or Awake! What is the article about and how will they tie them together?

Thanks for the clarification!

growedup

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Need Input! Overcoming Active JW Objections re: Letter on UN Website

by imallgrowedup in

the letter the un posted on their site regarding the wt affiliation with the un is great news!

kudos to everyone who made this possible by taking the time to write the un!

although most on jwd see this as a big victory, most have expressed that there will probably be many active jw's who will find it suspicious or will turn a blind eye.