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  Finally found a friend I can talk to

  by StarTrekAngel in

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  2. beliefs

  he is an old friend that used to attend my congo.

  he moved away closer to his parents at some point and we lost touch.

  for a couple of years i did not hear anything from him.

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  StarTrekAngel

  I know... it is always a calculated risk. Never the less, he is pretty far out at the moment and while he is shocked by the ARC for example, he did not know the UK was headed in the same direction. So he is terribly shaken by this but he has not yet heard it all.
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  Finally found a friend I can talk to

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  he is an old friend that used to attend my congo.

  he moved away closer to his parents at some point and we lost touch.

  for a couple of years i did not hear anything from him.

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  StarTrekAngel

  He is an old friend that used to attend my congo. He moved away closer to his parents at some point and we lost touch. For a couple of years I did not hear anything from him. Occasional text messages but nothing in detail. I bumped into him in one of the last assemblies I attended willingly (although I was already mentally out). He showed up to the assembly with his parents and a girlfriend but he was wearing a beard. The next day in the same assembly the beard was gone. We exchanged phone numbers.

  I texted him after and I felt he may have been avoiding me. Figure he know I saw him with a beard and probably thought I was going to preach to him. I texted him again yesterday and we had a long conversation. Turns out he is just as awaken as I am. He is also as trapped as I am... not being able to freely speak up.

  Anyway... I feel is a good relief for both of us to know we are not alone. I also know this community rejoices every time a new "apostate" is discovered.
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  Has anyone contacted the "Fredom of mind" center?

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just curious to know if anyone has requested assistance from them regarding cult issues and family... if so, would you please share your experience?.

  i submitted a case form almost a year ago but received no response.

  i understand my case is not considered the most urgent but i figure i would have heard from them by now.. thanks.

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  Nice I wish I could go. But I was actually referring to the center run by Steven Hassan. They claim to provide assistance for relatives of cult members and health professionals dealing with it.
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  Has anyone contacted the "Fredom of mind" center?

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just curious to know if anyone has requested assistance from them regarding cult issues and family... if so, would you please share your experience?.

  i submitted a case form almost a year ago but received no response.

  i understand my case is not considered the most urgent but i figure i would have heard from them by now.. thanks.

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  StarTrekAngel

  Just curious to know if anyone has requested assistance from them regarding cult issues and family... if so, would you please share your experience?

  I submitted a case form almost a year ago but received no response. I understand my case is not considered the most urgent but I figure I would have heard from them by now.

  Thanks
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  "Who is Morris III?" Showed up in an FB thread--A surprising answer followed.

  by oppostate in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  or maybe not so surprising after all, you be the judge....

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  I recall very clearly that in one of his talks he does say "I come from a wealthy family" and that they often question why he spend his time in this church rather that being involved in the family business". Back then when I heard that was the first time I wondered the same thing in this OP
  
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  Can We Encourage Governments to Take Action Against Sexual Abusers of Children ?

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  how many countries in the world today , are presently , or soon to be , setting up some sort of commission or an inquiry into child sexual abuse by an organization of any sort , religious ,sporting institution cultural .,etc.etc.. australia has , england has , and i believe germany is following suit .. are their anymore ?

  that we can add to the list ?.

  of course these inquirys take time , years in fact , but that should not deter us from forging ahead with this agenda.. it is the youth of today who get justice and the youth of tomorrow who can be spared this crime .. and the institutions can modify their policies to bring them up into the 21st century to protect their young.. so if the govt.

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  I believe that along with bringing them to justice and change their policies, there should be some form of restrain in the "Freedom of Religion" excuse. It has become norm to claim freedom of religion at some level of every one of these cases in an effort to obfuscate the truth, deny providing evidence or shield someone from responsibility.
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  Any Kingdom Halls not displaying the JW.ORG sign?

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've only noticed one when we're on hwy 79, north of our camden, ar, usa.

  it is the relatively new kh in fordyce, ar, on that main highway.

  is this the rule rather than the exception?.

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  I have not seen one yet. Even some of the smallest KH I've seen in South America have the sign outside. I have been wondering if this fancy of displaying the logo has anything to do with a tax and/or financial requirement, given that now the real state status of the org has probably changed.
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  GB travel preferences

  by StarTrekAngel in

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  i know this questions has been asked many times before.

  this seems to answer it.

  although some may question the articles credibility.

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  I know this questions has been asked many times before. This seems to answer it. Although some may question the articles credibility. I do not find it too difficult since one of the elders in my congo used to be sent around as a CO rep and has travel internationally on behalf of the WT and he claims to have done so in first class.

  http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/no-expense-spared-governing-body-members-do-fly-business-class
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  What is the real purpose of attending your JC?

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was compelled to ask this question because i have seen several of the youtube videos on jcs.

  on striking similarity among all these videos is that most of the people bringing the arguments to the elders are pretty much atheists or have turned to another religion altogether.. i can easily see that the common concern in most of the people involved, is their ability to keep in touch with family and friends, which by all means would be my concern as well, when and if i ever end up in one.. however, i can't help but to notice something.

  it is difficult enough to think of the day that the wt would accept a loose canon in their ranks, let alone someone who openly claims to no longer believe in god.

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  StarTrekAngel

  I was compelled to ask this question because I have seen several of the youtube videos on JCs. On striking similarity among all these videos is that most of the people bringing the arguments to the elders are pretty much atheists or have turned to another religion altogether.

  I can easily see that the common concern in most of the people involved, is their ability to keep in touch with family and friends, which by all means would be my concern as well, when and if I ever end up in one.

  However, I can't help but to notice something. It is difficult enough to think of the day that the WT would accept a loose canon in their ranks, let alone someone who openly claims to no longer believe in God. My point is that regardless of the rules the elders are following, a point of contention among your family could be the fact that it is ok if you disagree with the WT but if you no longer believe in God, then for sure we don't want you around.

  In other words, would it not be easier to confront the elders saying you still believe in God (even if so pretending) and Jehovah but you are concerned with the direction of the WT? Would you relatives not be more inclined to ignore the shunning rules if you did not speak against Jehovah? At least from my experience, most JWs I know would assure me their loyalty is to God and that if the GB ever commanded something against the word of God, they are not obligated to listen. By all means, I know the idea of the GB ever doing so is far fetched in the minds of JWs. But... would your argument be easier if you took that approach? Would it be easier in your relatives to see you as someone who disagrees with the leadership but strongly (again if so pretending) believes that Jehovah still knows what is best for you and you believe?

  I see in many cases people bring up failed predictions, doctrine reversals and the elders always pulled the "we are just imperfect humans" card.

  How about this?... how many times did the WT explained why God allows evil by saying that Satan challenged God in front of humanity and therefore God is allowing Satan to rule the world so that humans would know what it is like? How many times have they not said that the example is similar to a student challenging the teacher in front of a class. They question... would it be honest for the teacher to expel the student without allowing the student to prove his point? Or do they not say that the just approach for the teacher would be to allow the student to demonstrate his point so that the teacher would be confirmed correct? If God allows this to happen to the extent that he puts lives at stake in order to do so, who is the GB or the elders to remain unquestioned and unchallenged?

  In one of the latest videos I saw, the elders walk around the shunning issue by saying that even if they did not DFd the guy, his family would shun him anyway because the person involved openly admitted he did not believe in God anymore. They guy kept on arguing that his family would shun him because the WT says so. In the minds of most people they are doing God's will, not the WT will. If your real purpose is to maintain association, would you be able to do so by denying God? Would you not be doing the elders job for them by telling your family this? Would you really be earning the rapport with your family as Hassan has suggested?

  Any thoughts?
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  Are there any instances of "GOD" order and/or condoning the rape of women in the bible?

  by Black Man in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this came up recently with my dyed-in-the-wool jw pioneer mother, who swears up and down that there are no scriptural instances of this happening.

  i seem to remember a couple passages, but can't remember where they were..

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  StarTrekAngel

  That is not all cofty... the same paragraph states that she was disposable. If the man was not pleased with her, he could let her go.