Looks Like I'm Back on the Radar- my Daughter has Local Elder Call on Me (page 13)

etna

Hey flipper, you answered that elder well. I hope he comes back and visits you and you keep us updated. I wouldn't be taking him on face value though as they are untruthful in their intentions. A while back(and I think you know so of the story), when my daughter was being dfs, I had the CO over and explained eveything, from how she was repentent and how there was so much gossiping and slander going on and even brought out wts and the bible to show how eveything was handled wrong. He was very understanding and even gave me his personal phone number and said he will do something about the situation and get back to me. Well guess what, nothing happened and I never heard from him, so that was the begining of the end for me. I hope this elder comes back, because I know you will be able to say the right thing, but DON'T TRUST THEM. Please keep us updated.

Etna

wobble

Well pointed out Mary, that danger, that if they are determined they will get you any way they can, is always there.

Say nothing Flip.

As an off topic aside, a spokesman for the London Bethel came out with the BT's are a conscience matter lie to the press a couple of months back, they have a wonderful way of telling the "truth" as it suits them at the time.

We all know what would happen to an active JW who had a BT, even though he was following his "Bible trained" conscience.

Again, dear Flipper, be careful !!!

Aussie Oz

Be prepared to fight fire with fire Mr Flipper...

I would lie to the liars.

Their own 'theocratic warfare' advocates the use of subtefuge and deception with those they determine deserve no truth, use it back if you want to be left alone as much as possible.

Nothing is to be gained by 'maning up' and broadcasting the apostate siren.

I know if they ever call on me they wont get any truth in my back story thats for sure, and i am D/F

keep us posted!

oz

flipper

O.K. Worked all night- Jesus ! Did this thread take off or what ? LOL ! Thanks for all the responses .

Talked to a good friend of mine on the board and got an idea of how I will handle things if 2 elders come to visit me. My friend told an elder who kept calling him about why he wasn't attending meetings - " If I have any questions or problems I'll ask my dad or father in law who are longtime elders to help me. But thanks anyway. " I will use this tactic. My dad and brother are long time elders and I'll just explain that I have talked with them- they help me with my doubts and questions and I feel comfortable talking with them. But I'll tell the elders " thanks anyway. I appreciate your concern . But my relatives will help me. " I feel THIS is my out. I'll definitely use this if I need to. Gonna post this now- then get back to responding to your posts continuing on pg. 4

Retrovirus

I wish you all the luck in the world - and then hope you won't need it!

Have been following this with interest, but I didn't know about the possibility of 2 seperate witnesses to 2 different events or conversations being used. Surely this is a long way from what the Bible said about trwo witnesses?

Retro

Desert Rat

Flipper... I didn't read through all the way, so I don't know if this was mentioned or not. Seems to me though, your daughter could possibly be realizing the life with you that she is missing out on because of her shunning you..? To the point of asking someone to go to you and inquire?? It may be her way of cracking that door open a little bit and looking out at you? Just be extremely careful of any future discussions you might have with this elder, or others, as I am certain you will be! Good luck!

flipper

WHITE DOVE - It is amazing how the WT society labels ex-JW's by gagging them from being taken seriously in ANY talking , isn't it ?

TD- Well, I only talked with one elder. 2 elders do damage, not 1 by himself. I didn't say I " didn't think it's nOT Jehovah's organization " - so there was no denial there. Just discussed my doubts. No harm, no foul.

BLACK SHEEP- I don't think I IDed myself as an apostate. Just an inactive JW who has doubts.

TOTALLY ADD- It truly is strange I have to go through a mediator to let my daughter know it's O.K. to contact me. JW's are definitely a cult. Thanks for the kind words. I try to help wherever I can. I just want people to think and be free.

REOPENED MIND- I do have a terrific non-JW wife who has educated herself about cult mind control and she understands the bigger picture of what is going on regarding both my daughters. She understands they are misled and in a mentally controlled state. My wife does get frustrated how my daughters treat me- yes. She knows what she got into 5 years ago marrying me as I was open to her about what the JW's were all about. But she has become MORE aware of just HOW crazy JW's and the WT society really are. So my wife is my biggest supporter and I am her biggest supporter as well.

DESIROUS of CHANGE- Well, I definitely won't present myself as an unbeliever anymore ! LOL ! Just an inactive JW who will only talk JW topics with his elder dad & brother. I wouldn't worry too much. Things will be fine.

IRONHEAD- Carry on . As you will anyway

End of pg. 4- now on to pg. 5 .

poopsiecakes

Flipper, I think that the way you respond to everyone in turn is cute as hell.

flipper

O.K. ! Now for answering pg. 5 responders ! Thanks for all your replies. Will I ever catch up replying to you all ? LOL !

OTWO- I will watch my back, yes indeed. I have no qualms of conscience using deception to keep nosy JW elders out of my life or from causing division in my JW family towards me. I've used theocratic warfare right back at em ! The elders really just need to mind their own business - putting it bluntly.

WASBLIND- Thanks for the kind words, I appreciate it .

IRONHEAD- I'm sorry you have 3 daughters who shun you. Believe me, I know how you feel, I have 2 who shun me. So this should enhance your ability to show empathy I would assume.

POOPSIECAKES- Thanks for the support and kind words sis. I appreciate it. I certainly hope my daughters, or at least ONE daughter wakes up soon and starts talking with me again. It's getting old after 7 years now.

JRK- Thanks for the support bro. I know that YOU know what kind of guy I really am. Thanks.

OUTLAW- I'm racking my brain trying to understand your illustration of the man giving the lady carrots from the garden ! LOL ! Freaking funny ! Is the subliminal meaning there that I'm trying to offer my daughter friendship and love- yet she's turning me down ? I'm scratching my head here ! I need Dr. Outlaw to come back and give me a interpretation !

WHITE DOVE- Thanks for the support. People do shut their ears to us when we stop attending or are DFed. It's as if we don't exist.

LIFE IS TOO SHORT- Thanks sis. You are a close friend to me & my wife so you know our circumstances. I don't let outside influences or other people grind me down. I'm essentially a VERY positive person- so I don't stay down for long. Appreciate your friendship. Thanks.

MRS. JONES- Thanks sis. My wife and I love you & your family dearly. You folks are the best.

PALMTREE - Very true- respecting the dignity of other people is a very big priority ! True words to live by ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

Pg. 6 coming up soon.

Pistoff

If we have two independent witnesses from the same congregation that report the same behavior to us, or if we are able to find two independent witnesses, one who made a report in the local congregation and one from a report made in another congregation from where he might have come before relocating to the local congregation, how on earth can you hope to escape the two-witness rule?

DJeggnogg, what a piece of work you are; you couch your brainless defense of the WT in advice to Mr Flipper.

Back to business:

Carry on Flipper; don't fret and don't fall into their trap.

P

Looks Like I'm Back on the Radar- my Daughter has Local Elder Call on Me

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