Looks Like I'm Back on the Radar- my Daughter has Local Elder Call on Me

by flipper 200 Replies latest members private

  • The Oracle
    The Oracle

    Hey Flipper!

    Hope you are doing well!

    I think you did a great job with your unexpected visitor. His mind is probably spinning. Like one poster said, what you told him cannot be unheard.

    Some excellents seeds of real truth and reality have been planted.

    Hopefully he will come back again, alone and you continue your discussions.

    Please keep us posted! Wouldn't this be awesome if this somehow lead to getting your daughter back?

    I am hoping that this situation works out well for you!

    Take care,

    The Oracle

  • flipper
    flipper

    THE ORACLE- Hey, nice hearing from you. I do hope some of this brings my daughter at least back to talking to me . I'm not holding my breath- however I am patient as you know. I know the elder will have some things to ponder now though. Thanks for your kindness- good hearing from you again. I'll never give up on my daughters

  • flipper
    flipper

    Update on the situation : It's been over 3 weeks since the elder called on me- haven't heard a word from him OR my daughter. I kind of expected it. I think the elder just felt he'd leave the situation alone - and perhaps he didn't even CALL my daughter at all. So to be proactive I sent my daughter a card with family pictures of our trip to visit her grandparents with pictures of her brother as well. In the card I mentioned the elder called on me and I invited him in and was cordial to him. So if my daughter didn't hear anything from the elder- at least I told her we had a nice chat. So she'll know I was humane and civil to him. Interesting. You all have any thoughts or takes ? Thanks

  • Evidently Apostate
    Evidently Apostate

    i think you have taken the right approach by sending the card. at least she knows your there to converse sometimes being proactive keeps things unspoken from becoming awkward

  • wasblind
    wasblind

    Well Flipp anything could have happened

    1) He could have warned her about you or

    2) he could have backed away from the situation, to get his own thoughts in order

    after all you put alot on his plate, and whats been heard cannot be unheard

    but I wouldn't put it past him of warning her, after all this religion is not about

    uniting families, it's about recruiting people obedient to the Org.

  • wasblind
    wasblind

    " I explained I had JW friends who send me the WT magazines regularly and they have told me that elders & ministerial servants can be deleted or lose their positions if they support their own children attending college. He flatly stated " That's NOT true. The WT society supports education for our younger people ! ""

    Hey Flipp, he could have looked that up for himself, and found out that you were right

    which could lead him to research other things

  • Snoozy
    Snoozy
    Update on the situation : It's been over 3 weeks since the elder called on me- haven't heard a word from him OR my daughter. I kind of expected it. I think the elder just felt he'd leave the situation alone - and perhaps he didn't even CALL my daughter at all. So to be proactive I sent my daughter a card with family pictures of our trip to visit her grandparents with pictures of her brother as well. In the card I mentioned the elder called on me and I invited him in and was cordial to him. So if my daughter didn't hear anything from the elder- at least I told her we had a nice chat. So she'll know I was humane and civil to him. Interesting. You all have any thoughts or takes ? Thanks. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

    Flipper, can you report hiim for being lax and neglectful in his return visit obligations?

    Snoozy

  • Retrovirus
    Retrovirus

    Flipper, from what I can see of your communication skills here, I'm sure your card to your daughter was exactly right. Apart from family news, do you ever touch on the things you had in common with her? As I'm beginning to understand jw's, I guess it's possible that she doesn't allow herself to read what you send, but she clearly still thinks of you. . .and I'm sure she misses you.

    Wish you all a great Apostafest, Retro

  • WontLeave
    WontLeave

    With an elder looking for another notch on his belt (DFing), don't assume what they say matches their actual reaction. They'll act all pleasant and agreeable to get you to spill the beans. They'll "paraphrase" what you say into something they can use against you. Be very careful when dealing with 2 at a time, because that will fulfill the '2 witness' rule. Also, according to the Flock book, 2 witnesses of similar conduct on separate occasions is acceptable evidence against you. So, if your daughter tells the elders you're an Apostate tm and an elder will back it up, that's all they need.

    As far as him denying things about the organization we all know to be true, that's part of the 1984 mentality. They learn 2 entirely different sets of doctrine: One for the public (and denial) and another for the congregation (and accusation). Why do you think articles that tell us we have no leader other than Christ will, in the next paragraph, tell us how we have to follow 7 old men in NY? It's like dealing with Sybil (the woman with multiple personalities).

    I can understand wanting to vent, but I can assure you it's falling on deaf ears. One doesn't become an elder by being open-minded or even very bright. One becomes an elder, in recent years, by being a boot-licker to the Society. Most elders I've talked to pretty much only know one scripture: "Do what we tell you, dog!" - Heb 13:17

  • JRK
    JRK

    That "loving" elder may have been using "Theocratic Warfare strategy" on you. He may have had ulterior motives for your conversation. Your daughter might have told him you are a nasty apostate, and to try to pin something on you. He may have had no intention of calling her to talk to you. I am sorry if he did this, but I wouldn't put it past a "company man."

    And I also think that DJeggnog has a lot of practice polishing the old fuel rod, so he is qualified to help out in Japan.

    JK

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