Comments? Black Slavery

by Naeblis 108 Replies latest jw friends

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    It seems to me that black culture has pretty well filled our society: rock and roll with help from elvis, rythm and blues, blues, rap, the chalston which led to modern dance. White culture, classical music, has been displaced by black culture.

    Many europeans were slaves for a time when they first arrived here. An irishman was considered worth less than a black man. By helping each other and by hard work they rose out of this situation.

    Education, what education would they have recieved in africa?

    Ok, i give up, let's pay them, but that isn't enough. We should give them more. What more could we give them? Why the gift of returning to their glorious homeland. Any african country of their choice and a free plane ride thrown in.

    S

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine
    I AM GOING TO SAY THIS SLOWLY, FOR THE LAST TIME. THE AFRICANS WHO WERE SOLD INTO SLAVERY WERE CRIMINALS. THE VILLAGE CHEIFTANS SAW A WAY TO BOTH PUNISH THE CRIMINAL AND MAKE MONEY FOR THE VILLAGE. Decades later, there weren't enough criminals to keep up with the demand for cheap slave labor, thus began the exploitation of Africans.

    Since they could no longer buy the Africans they wanted, they began taking them without permission. At that time, it is recorded the village cheiftans wept and regretted they had ever sold their fellow man into slavery in the first place.

    You know I love ya, but, bullshit. Chieftans wept? They were tribal mofo's. You think they felt a brotherhood because of the color of their skin? Hell no. Hell, African Americans don't really feel a brotherhood because of the color of their skin. They feel a slight brotherhood because of the common experience they share due to the color of their skin. I should know, I used to be one. As well they shouldn't feel such brotherhood because of color. That would make them racist.

    A first hand account: http://africanhistory.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fvi.uh.edu%2Fpages%2Fmintz%2F1.htm
    excerpt: "The kings are so absolute, that upon any slight pretense of offences committed by their subjects, they order them to be sold for slaves, without regard to rank, or possession...."

    Still going on: http://africanhistory.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.hrw.org/hrw/backgrounder/africa/sudan1.htm

    In West Africa too there is a continuing practice of child slavery. Reports in the last few years suggest that children in countries such as Benin, Burkina, Togo, Cameroon and the Ivory Coast are being sold for "domestic and commercial labour and sexual exploitation." A BBC report notes that "in one instance the Benin authorities found 400 children aboard a boat anchored in Cotono harbour, itself an historic slaving market." Recent exposes have revealed an even more (for the West) disturbing racket of Nigerian girls being smuggled through Britain to the rest of Europe where they are sold to prostitution rings.

    Until Africa acknowledges all aspects of its history, and acts against the on-going enslavement of its people, how can it expect to have a voice in international politics that is taken seriously?

    An interesting angle: http://www.ocregister.com/nation_world/liberslaverycci5.shtml

  • LDH
    LDH

    Six, I respect your research. However, PBS did a very well received documentary on Africa last year. What I related were the tribal stories handed down year by year.

    I think you'll always have men willing to exploit their fellow men, I'm not arguing that. But there were many who tried to stop the exploitation of Africans and ended up dead as a result.

    On the issue of reparations, I really don't know--I do have mixed feelings on that.

    Half of me says, well, if we can't pay reparations to black Americans, when then, did we pay it to Japanese Americans, who weren't even slaves, just interred in prison camps during the Anti-Jap fervor of WWII and the aftermath of Pearl Harbor? $10,000 each!

    However, just giving money to poor people doesn't make them rich. If you can't manage your money, you'll blow through whatever you are given. I saw a white dude about 35 win the lottery last year for $4 million. You would've thought he was Bill Gates. He bought EVERYONE in his family a new white cadillac, trucks for days, houses etc. About 8 months later he was down to zero. Skin color has nothing to do with money management skills. I'm surprised you think it does.

    What I don't like is Drachir's insinuation that all blacks are poor and uneducated and would waste their money if given to them. This is just another evil sterotype that still exists. And, that's not the point of paying reparations. When you OWE somebody money you can't determine how they'll spend it once it's paid back!

    I also saw on the above mentioned PBS miniseries that in the slavery period, 6 out of 10 plantation owners were millionaires. And, some of those same families still are worth millions.

    The question is, if blacks who were never slaves don't deserve any money, why do the great grandchildren of those plantation owners deserve to be rich? What did they do? You mention 'blacks who were never slaves.' What about 'whites who were never plantation owners?' Do they just get to keep all of that money?

    What does that have to do with handing out free money to Americans just because their skin is black.

    Isn't that the WHOLE POINT of foreign aid, to give to those based solely on their geographic/ethnic persuasion? Methinks, charity starts at home.

    Why, the gift of returning to their glorious homeland

    Saint, your sarcasm is duly noted, and rejected. Just like every other continent, much of Africa is arid and unusable land (ever been to Death Valley, CA?) However, maybe you should send back that diamond that's on your lady's hand. That came from the glorious continent, Africa.

    You can't measure apples to oranges and say, fine, we'll give you back what we took away. Here's a plane ticket home. Not without also giving them a percentage of what they rightfully earned. That's just crazy.

    TJ, unlike most folks I don't get bent out of shape when discussing race. I don't have radical ideas. I just encourage the exchange of thoughts and ideas. The most frustrating thing about the dialogue on race for me, is when someone has their mind made up already and is unwilling to do anything but hurl stereotypes and half-truths.

    Naeblis, what really gets my goat is when assholes like this have carte blanche to write their personal opinions in newspapers. There are plenty of ignorant idiots who will read his work as FACT and not do the research to find out it's just one man's opinion.

  • funkyderek
    funkyderek

    Why should people who never endorsed slavery pay "reparations" to people who were never victims of it?

    --
    Those who can induce you to believe absurdities can induce you to commit attrocities - Voltaire

  • drahcir yarrum
    drahcir yarrum

    LDH:

    I DID NOT INSINUATE THAT ALL BLACKS ARE POOR. GO BACK AND RE-READ MY POST WHERE I CLEARLY MENTION BLACKS OF OTHER ECONOMIC LEVELS. I'M GETTING REAL FUCKING TIRED OF WEASALS LIKE YOU CONVENIENTLY SELECTING TEXT FROM POSTS AND TRYING TO USE THEM TO DEMEAN PEOPLE YOU DISAGREE WITH. YOU ARE A FRAUD. IF YOU NEVER RESPOND TO A POST OF MINE AGAIN IT WILL BE TO DAMN SOON.

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    funkyderek, I hope that in 2 or three hundred years, what you said will make a lot of sense. I think it makes some sense now:

    "Why should people who never endorsed slavery pay "reparations" ..."

    Very true, imo.

    "...to people who were never victims of it?"

    Not at all true. Make no mistake, the vast majority of black people in America are indeed victems of slavery. Less so with every generation, provided civilization moves forward, not backwards, but yes, still very much "victims".

  • LDH
    LDH

    Drachir,

    Pipe down.

    Blacks who even in bad inner city conditions, have a standard of living higher than the worlds poor.

    This is the sentence of yours I was referring to, I should have made it clear.My intent was to show that when most Americans refer to blacks, the first ones they think of are 'the ghetto hoodrats,' sucking our taxes in the form of welfare. They never think about the corporate welfare to the tune of billions of dollars that helps others profit.

    I'm sure you don't like getting your posts ripped apart by me or any one else, but when your words are spoken in a public forum, well, that's what happens.

    It doesn't help your case when you post words like:

    So, get over your myopic view that blacks are the only people treated badly in the history of the world and in the history of this country specifically. Most of you watched the mini series "Roots" one too many times.

    Perhaps you hadn't heard, but Roots was the highest rated mini-series of all times! A lot more than blacks were watching it. I don't think anyone here is foolish enough to believe that only blacks were treated badly in this country. When you post comments like that, you should expect some backlash.

    Myself, I'm Scottish and English, and since my family is from the deep south, let me tell you, I know this issue better than most. Not only was my family too poor to own slaves, MOST of them were the 'poor white trash' that were looked down on even by slaves. I have one great aunt who owned (and still does) a plantation. She treated family worse than she ever treated blacks. So no one is saying that blacks are the only ones discriminated against.

    If you will read the other thread started by Reagan about the Black Panther Party (a great thread, by the way) you will see where I mentioned the magazine Parade had an article two Sundays ago that talks about how the Federal Government is still stealing billions from Native Americans.

    Funky Derek asked:

    Why should people who never endorsed slavery pay "reparations" to people who were never victims of it?

    A good question. I answered it earlier in my post, here.

    The question is, if blacks who were never slaves don't deserve any money, why do the great grandchildren of those plantation owners deserve to be rich? What did they do? You mention 'blacks who were never slaves.' What about 'whites who were never plantation owners?' Do they just get to keep all of that money?

    Lisa
    hoping Drachir looses the Caps Lock Key class

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine
    What about 'whites who were never plantation owners?' Do they just get to keep all of that money?

    I think the obvious answer to that is, yes. Like it, hate it, whatever. The answer to that particular question is, yes. Not even a point of discussion really. Just yes.

  • Utopian Reformist
    Utopian Reformist

    LDH has been ABSOLUTLEY correct and factual in her messages during this thread. White America wants the whole issue to go away, like the treatment of Japanese. However, the Japanese were not whipped, or forcibly raped or sold or broken into fragments instead of whole families.

    They were also provided public schooling inside the internment camps. Those camps were not DisneyLand, but they weren't Auschwitz either.

    The meer fact that Whites Americans have the audacity to complain about slavery reparations angers me to no end! Someday, the colors of this world's power, that's right I said it, the color of this world's power is going to change.

    I wonder how many would have survived had the shoe been on the other foot? Has anyone here ever received 25 lashes for looking someone in the eye, accidentally? How about selling your children or wife? Can the master rape your wife because he likes her backside?

    No wonder the militant Arabs hate America. They don't hate ethnic americans, or african americans or even hispanics and asians, it is the white WASP majority that continues to profit from it's inherited legacy of subjugation and exploitation of people of color that angers most Arabs, and other oppressed people in this world.

    Those who think they actually deserve the freedom and lifestyle they now have, because they really believe they earned it through hard work. Not one thought given to the millions who perished in the Black Holocaust, or the millions who perished building the infrastructure and institutions of this country - FREE of charge, so they would exist.

    I am so angry I can't even think in a civil fashion.

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    Lisa,

    . However, PBS did a very well received documentary on Africa last year. What I related were the tribal stories handed down year by year.

    Kinda like the bible?

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