Comments? Black Slavery

by Naeblis 108 Replies latest jw friends

  • LDH
    LDH

    Richard,

    I think it's absolutely silly to pay American Indians for the land and resources that they never owned

    You are right. They NEVER owned the land in the way that YOU and I think of owning land. As a matter of fact, it went against their principles to 'own' land.

    Their 'owning' land had more to do with having the FREE USE of the land. When that FREE USE became jeopardized, they then had to adapt to the 'white man's' meaning of 'owning' land.

    I have a hard time seeing which parts, exactly, of my argument, are stricly made on an emotional level. I DID acknowledge that the issue is a difficult one, for both sides of the fence. That's it.

    The only reason, Richard, I even mention the Native American issue is because of the commonality of the struggle BOTH have had in even being recognized as humans, not as dogs. And that they should have the same rights under our constitution as any other American.

    (hey, did you know they don't even want to be called 'Native Americans' because to their ancestors, they were here before this place was even NAMED America. But hey, who am I to say they're being overly idealistic?)

    --->>>Julie, I TOTALLY agree with you. A sacrifice is a sacrifice no matter who made it, and I didn't intend to diminish the sacrifices made for civil rights by white Americans, just pointing out that the onus of the struggle rests on those whom it will benefit the most.

  • Utopian Reformist
    Utopian Reformist

    You go girl! Ebony Queen! Original Woman! Nubian Princess! Suki Suki!

    "Ave Mundi - Morituri te Salutamus!"

  • LDH
    LDH

    UR, who me?

    Hey as long as were on the subject of tax dollars supporting things we don't believe in, I haven't

    1. caught the bus
    2. rode on Amtrak
    3. called the Fire Department
    4. dialed 911

    for YEARS. But still, a good portion of my tax dollars go to pay for those services.

    Could you imagine if we billed people for the community services they actually used?!?!

    Oh, you called the Fire department to put out a fire? OK, your bill is $185,000. Here ya go. Oh, you don't have a car, and you need to catch the city bus? That'll be $147 for your ride to work! [8>]

    Some portion of our tax dollars will ALWAYS go to causes we don't believe in, like subsidies for tobacco farmers. That's why I vote.

    Lisa

  • Utopian Reformist
    Utopian Reformist

    Lisa:

    The quips were for you! I hope you were not offended. It was just a pat on the back sort of thing.

    "Ave Mundi - Morituri te Salutamus!"

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    The 'native americans' also came from somewhere else. Scientists who study that type of thing have named which native tribes came from the japanese area and which came from areas fo siberia. I don't remember the tribes, but i could find it. So these tribes should pay reparations to the groups that pre-existed them. Right?

    This whole concept of human migration, whether forced or voluntary is totally subjective. Rights and wrongs have been commited since man walked.

    S

  • LDH1
    LDH1

    Saint,

    This whole concept of human migration, whether forced or voluntary is totally subjective. Rights and wrongs have been commited since man walked.

    You are absolutely right! Therefore, if you would be so kind as to forward me your correct street address, I'll be along to promptly kick your ass and take over your property. I will also enslave your children, and when their grandchildren hear of it years later and want their house back, I shall show them this thread!

    Might does not make right, my friend. Never has.

    UR,
    Not offended, just not black, LOL! Wasn't sure if you were talking to me. Pls. email me, I have some info you may like.

    Lisa

  • Utopian Reformist
    Utopian Reformist

    Saint Satan:

    Thank you for providing brevity, clarity and over simplification. While the origin of peoples is frequently tied to migration, we are not discussing or disputing the origins of anyone.

    We are discussing the culpability and responsibility of the world's greatest nation, made possible through free labor and exploitation. Please render your thoughts, if any, in this direction. Thank you for responding and displaying an interest.

    "Ave Mundi - Morituri te Salutamus!"

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    utopian

    I did give my thoughts on guilt. They are about a quarter of the way down on page 2 of this thread.

    LDH1

    It was addressed generally. While your offer to kick my ass was no doubt meant to be illustrative, it's agressive enough that i'll decline to email you. Thanks anyway.

    S

  • LDH1
    LDH1

    Saint,

    Shoot, I thought I was gonna get some easy money!

    Lisa

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    LDH1

    You can always post your info here.

    S

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