by Terry 284 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Terry, in answer to your question (challenge). How could mankind have known back in the time of Noah (actually in Moses' day) that the earth could not possibly ever
be engulfed by water, flooded completely so as to cover every mountain top on this planet? How did Moses know that there is just not enough water on, in, or around the
earth to flood the entire planet?
Are you saying the earth wasn't engulfed in Noah's day? Or, are you saying Moses was wrong? Or...what exactly ARE you saying?
I like it better when Terry goes off on a porn rampage!
Terry, this is what you people really have within you. Thank you. I guess this is your idea of living and treating others with respect. GOD is love but this is hate you all have. Thanks for letting others know again that athiests are haters. I guess you can reply to everyone else but not address this type of behaviour from your "followers".
Ummm, did I miss something?
You people would be who exactly?
My idea?
Am I an atheist because I posted the Topic question?
I'm confused.
As far as my "followers" I think you may be confused...on purpose!
Atheists, as far as I know, don't have meetings where they plan the weeks activities (which would include, of course, being rude to those who disagree with them.)
Everytime I look behind me there is nobody there !
What is it about "people of faith" that they see enemies everywhere banded together to oppose them?
Is the paranoia inbred? Does it make you feel more secure in your righteous indignation?
Personally, I am for tolerance. This means not making people shut up and keep their opinions (however caustic) to themselves.
I think if you will review this discussion you'll see I don't go out of my way to name call or recruit followers. I'm raising a question and asking for answers.
That is pretty simple and straight-forward.
Face it, there are people who don't like to be publicly called out for weak arguments. They take it as an ego attack rather than a symptom of irrational thinking. I'm sorry they can't see the difference.
As for me; I'm just an old guy sitting in his undies typing out words. No big deal! I'm not a monolithic foe with stalwart minions. Sorry to disappoint.
like it better when Terry goes off on a porn rampage!
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Terry, this is what you people really have within you. Thank you. I guess this is your idea of living and treating others with respect. GOD is love but this is hate you all have. Thanks for letting others know again that athiests are haters. I guess you can reply to everyone else but not address this type of behaviour from your "followers".Hibiscusfire,
You're wrong. Terry isn't hating, he has good intentions and is passionate and driven to help people. As are you, are you not?
You know what they say about pointing fingers, eh?
And yes, I am on his payroll. I am a goon, lol
And yes, I am on his payroll. I am a goon, lol
The check is in the mail!
And yet, the Native Americans believed the whites had magical powers because of a compass needle. Ever stop and think how a culture incapable of comprehending in vitro fertilzation might describe it, due to the lack of knowledge?
Is matter transference theoretically possible, or not? How about probable? Would it be more likely easier to move a large amount of matter, or a small amount?
Is genome modification possible? Probable? Already a reality? I have seen a field of glowing tobacco. Wanna know how they did it?
The fact is, until very lately conception without sexual union was considered impossible. Now we know it is possible. Which means it always has been possible. But it was declared possible long before human science declared it possible, wasn't it, Jeffro?
Your claims that something made possible by complex and technical methods means that the same things can be achieved as described in the bible's myths is childish oversimplification.
The point of this is, transmutation of one form of matter into another form of matter is theoretically probable and people claim to have seen it done long before humans had the technology. Therefore, an extra-human or super-human source is reputed to have revealed as a reality something we can still only theorize about. Which goes directly to Terry's request.
Your logic is completely in reverse. There is no proof that the claimed events happened, and they are the same kind of events as other myths of the period, consistent with unscientific beliefs of the past up until as recently as the 1800s, when people believed maggots just 'appeared' on rotten meat. You are alleging that because something might be physically possible through extraordinarily complex scientific means, that it must have actually happened because some superstitious and ignorant primitives said it did.
I am saying that the possibility of something that we now know to be scientifically possible was revealed long before we knew it to be scientifically possible. I didn't advocate one set of religious stories over another except by way of its being well known in English speaking cultures. But, as you state, these stories aren't limited to one culture.
Jeffro: You are alleging that because something might be physically possible through extraordinarily complex scientific means, that it must have actually happened because some superstitious and ignorant primitives said it did.
My logic is in the correct order, you are reversing my logic and then accusing me of using your convoluted result.
I am saying that superstitious and ignorant primitives said things happened that could only have happened (if they did happen) through extraordinarily complex scientific means. We now know that is the only way these reported things could have happened, however they might have been described by superstitious and ignorant people.
The fact that we cannot independently verify the claims of these ignorant and superstitious people takes nothing away from the fact that, for instance, conception without sexual relations is entirely possible and has, therefore, always been possible—a fact first revealed through stories dating to a period of human history when humans were incapable of achieving conception without sexual relations.
If, 300 years from now, we can transmute matter easily and safely, we will have proved that it has always been possible to do so despite the fact that humans previously lacked sufficient technology to achieve the feat.
Respectfully,
AuldSoul
I am saying that superstitious and ignorant primitives said things happened that could only have happened (if they did happen) through extraordinarily complex scientific means. We now know that is the only way these reported things could have happened, however they might have been described by superstitious and ignorant people.
According to your rationale, any far-fetched tale told by any primitive people actually did happen because it can be loosely correlated to something that theoretically can happen by some extraordinarily complicated means that has no similarity to the story being told.
For example, Cinderella's fairy godmother turned a pumpkin into a coach. Now that you have highlighted that it is indeed physically possible to split and rearrange atoms, there is no reason for us not to accept that Cinderella did indeed go to the Ball in a pumpkin-coach. Grow up.
