WHAT do YOU know about JESUS... and His teachings?

by hibiscusfire 286 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • bigdreaux
    bigdreaux

    hibi, i posted how i felt about your argument. after i did, i re-read it, and felt it was way to mean spirited. i'm sorry, i hope the best for you, i just cannot accept what your saying.

  • IP_SEC
    IP_SEC

    Hibi. You are getting beat up on too many sides now and your responses are side-stepping/crawfishing more and more.

    If you really admit what is going on you will say that the world is getting worse with time. Our morals and personalities have fallen. Individuals have deteriorated in their dispositions and values as far back as the 1600s. There is lack of self-control. The atmostphere and the environment have changed drastically to the worse. There is more pollution and greed with the more we have.

    Something to remember IP_SEC ....the translation of the KJV would have been the most accurate and most reliable comparing to what we have today. Note also I never said anything about the interpretation of it yet.

    Im sorry but yes you did. That was your whole point.

    I hearby bow out of the discussion.

    Thanks

    It was fun.

  • hibiscusfire
    hibiscusfire
    Terry: How about:
    1.Authorship
    2.Date of writing
    3.Authenticity
    ????????????

    Terry tell me more. Do you have any information on these three points that you would like to share seeing that you do a lot of reading?

    hibie

  • dedpoet
    dedpoet

    hibie,

    You don't seem to be a jw, which is good. I used to be one, being duped
    into believing their bs at the age of 40 (old enough to have more sense)
    when I was going through a particularly difficult period of my life (mum had
    died a few months previously, I had been through a divorce), and I guess
    they saw my potential vulnerability, and preyed on it.

    Prior to that, and since I stopped being a jw in 1999, I have been an
    atheist. I am thankful to my parents for the many happy times they
    helped me to enjoy, thankful to my friends for being there for me when
    I need them, and thankful to my wife Linda for the joy that she has
    brought into my life.

    I see no reason to thank a deity I don't believe in for anything at all.

    I just feel something is wrong or going on in your life right now.

    You are right about that. My wonderful wife Linda, herself an ex jw,
    is sufferring from pancreatic cancer, which has spread to other organs.

    Trev

  • hibiscusfire
    hibiscusfire
    IP_SEC: Im sorry but yes you did. That was your whole point.

    I am glad you pointed out that sir. But don't you think the translation and interpretation would be different? Translation (word for word accuracy) is one thing but the interpretation (stating the meaning) is another.

    Not the same.

    hibie

  • bigdreaux
    bigdreaux

    i will say this hibi. i, like many others here, do not like to be preached at. i said at, not to on purpose. i feel like your talking at us, not to us.

    i espically don't like when someone demands we blindly follow something that has no proof, or merit. you keep saying this and that are fact, and is proven, but, as others have said, where is this proof? saying something is true because it says it is, is nonsensical. like IP_SEC stated, you keep side-stepping everyones challenges. your on your soap box, and your argument has deteriorated into mindless ramblings.

  • hibiscusfire
    hibiscusfire
    dedpoet: You are right about that. My wonderful wife Linda, herself an ex jw,
    is sufferring from pancreatic cancer, which has spread to other organs.

    Trev

    I am so sorry. I felt something very hurtful and painful while replying to you. Tears came into my eyes. It is overwhelming. I wish to tell you to trust in God. I know you don't want to hear that but...my hands are shaking. Goodness! Ok compose myself...

    There is more to understand. I can't talk about it right now. You will find out.

    hibie

  • dedpoet
    dedpoet
    I am so sorry

    Thanks hibie, it's been a very tough time for both of us, especially
    Linda.

    I wish to tell you to trust in God. I know you don't want to hear that but...

    Well, I don't trust in god, and neither does Linda, but there have been
    times when we both wished we could. We don't pray, but are aware
    that people are praying for us, which we both appreciate. I'm a kind
    of reasonable atheist - I don't believe in god, but don't rule out the
    possibility that I could be wrong. I really don't mind you reccommending
    that I trust in god at all, even though I don't do that. I am very appreciative
    of your reasons for doing so.

    Trev

  • hibiscusfire
    hibiscusfire
    dedpoet:Well, I don't trust in god, and neither does Linda, but there have been
    times when we both wished we could. We don't pray, but are aware
    that people are praying for us, which we both appreciate. I'm a kind
    of reasonable atheist - I don't believe in god, but don't rule out the
    possibility that I could be wrong. I really don't mind you reccommending
    that I trust in god at all, even though I don't do that. I am very appreciative
    of your reasons for doing so.

    Trev

    Hi Trev. You are welcomed.

    I just wanted to let you know that you do not have to wish that you could trust in God you can do it anyway. There are many things that goes on with me that I don't like. I may even question God too. I may not understand and no one else would but He knows what is going on.

    You may not or may not want to believe this but when we pray, we may not see how God is working or understand how He will bring good through it all. So we have to trust Him. We give up our rights and let God do what is best.We must leave the unknowable to the all-knowing One. He is listening and working things out His way.There is no one else who can really take away our burdens but Jesus.

    God had to send Jesus to die on the cross to provide salvation. Even though Jesus felt as if His Father had forsaken Him, He prayed intensely and passionately because He trusted that Gos listening.

    "My God, My God why have You forsaken Me?" Matthew 27:46

    Jesus is alive and well today and is waiting for you and your wife.

    hibiscusfire

  • Terry
    Terry
    Terry tell me more. Do you have any information on these three points that you would like to share seeing that you do a lot of reading?

    A quick dozen fast facts: (Note: Stop and re-read #2 over and over to yourself a few times.)

    1. When ancient scribes copied earlier books, they wrote notes on the margins of the page (marginal glosses) to correct their text—especially if a scribe accidentally omitted a word or line—and to comment about the text. When later scribes were copying the copy, they were sometimes uncertain if a note was intended to be included as part of the text. See textual criticism . Over time, different regions evolved different versions, each with its own assemblage of omissions and additions.

    2. The autographs , the Greek manuscripts written by the original authors, have not survived . Scholars surmise the original Greek text from the versions that do survive.

    3. The earliest surviving complete manuscript of the entire Bible is the Codex Amiatinus , a Latin Vulgate edition produced in eighth century England at the double monastery of Wearmouth-Jarrow

    4. The discovery of older manuscripts, which belong to the Alexandrian text-type, including the 4th-century Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus , led scholars to revise their view about the original Greek text.

    5. Karl Lachmann based his critical edition of 1831 on manuscripts dating from the 4th century and earlier, to demonstrate that the Textus Receptus must be corrected according to these earlier texts .

    6. However for reasons of tradition, especially the doctrine of the inerrancy of the King James Bible , some modern scholars prefer to use the Textus Receptus for the Greek text, or use the Majority Text which is similar to it but is a critical edition that relies on earlier manuscripts of the Byzantine text-type. Among these scholars, some argue that the Byzantine tradition contains scribal additions, but these later interpolations preserve the orthodox interpretations of the biblical text—as part of the ongoing Christian experience—and in this sense are authoritative.

    7. The Old Testament canon entered into Christian use in the Greek Septuagint translations and original books, and their differing lists of texts. In addition to the Septuagint, Christianity subsequently added various writings that would become the New Testament. Somewhat different lists of accepted works continued to develop in antiquity. In the fourth century a series of synods produced a list of texts equal to the 46-book canon of the Old testament and to the 27-book canon of the New Testament that would be subsequently used today , most notably the Synod of Hippo in AD 393.

    8. The use of chapters and verses was not introduced until the Middle Ages and later.

    9.Early manuscripts of the letters of Paul and other New Testament writings show no punctuation whatsoever.

    10.The

    punctuation was added later by other editors, according to their own understanding of the text.

    11.The critical analysis of authorship now encompasses every book of the bible.

    Every book in turn has been hypothesized to bear traces of multiple authorship ; even the book of Obadiah ,which is only a single page. In some cases the traditional view on authorship has been overturned ; in others, additional support, at least in part has been found.

    WHO WROTE THE BIBLE?Friedman

    MISQUOTING JESUSEhrman

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