by sleepy 146 Replies latest jw friends
Tina
The universal concepts of justice and personal responsibility.
Which are exactly?
What I mean is who defines them.
I was asking you to state what you thought they were.
Do you expect others to live by your concepts?Are these the correct ones?
sounds like the witnesses in reverse.
Frenchy and Larc
Its good to know I'm not the only one.
Edited by - sleepy on 4 December 2001 15:13:55
Sleepy,
You're flogging a dead horse here. Most ex-dubs realise that they were not as caring, not as charitable, not as nice as they are since they left.
Englishman.
Bring on the dancing girls!
If you would examine my post closer farkel, you would see that my point was that jw's do not WANT billions of people to die. I am not refuting the fact that the majority of mankind MAY die. I don't WANT anyone to die. But I do believe that many probably will. Don't twist my words.
scum
Edited by - scumgrief on 4 December 2001 15:20:40
You don't want 6 billion to die? Then why is there always smiles on the faces of those who escape armageddon in the literature with those being destroyed in the backround?
Gumby
What horse am I flogging?
Well the horse is that apostates or people who have left Jehovahs witnesses tend to turn everything into a negative and forget what it was like as a witness.
That it was not all dome and gloom for most and that there was a lot of love and concern shown for others by witnesses.
Their beliefs have caused them to do things I belive are wrong but the same can be said about all sorts of people and reasoning systems.
There is no best way of life no perfect people ,just better ones or different ones.
Hey scumgrief,haven`t seen you on the board in a while,hows it going? SG,I didn`t say all jws want 6 billion people to die.I said jws support an orginization that would kill 6 billion people.Regardless of who they think is running the show or if it would cause them pain to see that many people dead.They still support an organization that would do such an evil thing.And that is just one of the many things that piss`s me off about them.Anyway,talk to you later..HAVE A GOOD DAY EH...OUTLAW ..>>>Hey gumby,How`s it goin dude?Ha-Ha-Ha!When I said they would cut your throat,that was a colourful Canadian figure of speach.I didn`t mean it literaly.What I meant was,if the WBTS told the r/f jws to turn on you,they would.It could be your best friend of 20yrs,or your own family.Anyway thats what I meant.(lol)...OUTLAW
The Golden Rule:The people with the gold make the rules.
sleepy,
You've totally missed the point. I suggested you look it up.It is not my definition,but universal ideals.Do you understand this sentence?
You are exactly like the witnesses.You want all the answers handed to you so you dont have to put forth some honest effort.if you would take the time and do some research,find out what Im talkking about,you would quickly lose the crass assumptions you are making that this is just my concept. These are considered universal(for the last time) And I consider it to be a far superior,humanitarian concept of being and inter-relating than those who abide by the cultic doctrine that you seem to think is ok.
Vive Bene
Spesso L'amore
Di Risata Molto!!!
scumgrief,
As I said, you are clueless about what your religion ACTUALLY teaches.
: If you would examine my post closer farkel, you would see that my point was that jw's do not WANT billions of people to die.
Oh, yeah? What part of this quote do you not understand?
"On Satan's side will be all the rest of mankind, more than 99.9 percent,"
This is a religion which has told its followers that it speaks for God. If true, the statement above is a given, and represents God's will for those facing the biggest genocide ever. It is therefore God's WILL that 99.9% of all humans are to perish and only dubs will be spared. Do you dare say you "want" something to happen that is not God's will?
: I am not refuting the fact that the majority of mankind MAY die.
If it is a "fact" there is no "may" about it. Which is it? If you believe your religion, it is a fact, and you'd better not cross your Hitler God by wanting something different that He wants.
: I don't WANT anyone to die. But I do believe that many probably will.
See above.
: Don't twist my words.
I don't need to. They are just as twisted as your thinking.
Farkel
"I didn't mean what I meant."
hi larc,
No,I have no desire to maintain (if I had one anyway) a relationship w/ my JW relatives. So for me,no exceptions to the rule.
Vive Bene
Spesso L'amore
Di Risata Molto!!!
I think for the most part, we are quite reasonable here. At least there is a strong presence of reason when some tend to get out of hand.
There is evidence that those in positions of authority at the top of this organization are aware of harmful policies and errors in doctrine. Some of these policies are serious, costing people lives and their well-being, which makes knowingly perpetuating such policies evil.
Most of their doctrines are fantasy, which makes them relatively harmless, even if they are wrong. However, the weight one must put to such 'hopes' often causes unwise decisions to be made. The teachings of the religion create attitudes and life-styles that are counter-productive to the greater good of a community since they are so self-centered.
Over-all, I agree that your average Witness is a nice and decent person. I am skeptical as to the genuiness of that 'niceness', especially to non-witnesses, since they are conditioned to believe "worldly people" are objects to be "witnessed" to, and not fit for association outside of that. While they may be pleasant to such ones, their belief system teaches these ones will be "destroyed" if they don't join them.
Witnesses are generally nice around me, unless they realize they cannot "help" me. Once they feel you could be a "threat" to their spirituality, any love quickly turns to anger and hate and they often try to remove themselves from your presence.
I can only describe life as a Witness as "artificial". We pretended alot, and most of us knew exactly what we were doing when we covered for the organization. We hid many things from Bible students to make ourselves look better than we were. When we had to shun people we felt uncomfortable about it.
There is a certain responsibility each one of us has to accept for our past and present actions. Somethings can be excused because of ignorance or we believed we were doing something in the name of God. Other actions just went against common decency and harmed people.
Some people just REFUSED to reason and to think. They condemned the world to destruction for not listening to them, while at the same time they refused to listen to anyone. That kind of arrogance and hypocrisy makes them guilty as long as they submit to that system.
Path
