Friends we are too unbalanced.

by sleepy 146 Replies latest jw friends

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  NameWithheld

  "At the very worst, in a nutshell, people in that religion have been convinced that God will destroy those who are not ‘in the truth’. "

  Yes, that's true. But they long for that day - all of them. And become very desensitized(sp?) to human suffering due to it. See a baby hungry? God will fix it "Real Soon Now". See a homeless person? God will fix it "Real Soon Now". See 5,000+ people die in a collapsing pile of ruble? God will fix it "Real Soon Now" (not to mention they were going to die anyway "Real Soon Now").

  This doesn't even begin to address the vast # of JWs who 'joke' about 'inheriting' the mansion they come across in FS, or get excited at events like the WTC. Or make a big deal about the 13-14-whatever JWs that died in the WTC - ignoring the other 5,000. Or 'using' the WTC (or other similar events) in examples like they did at one assembly where the 'sister' who was weak and took a job at the WTC instead of pioneering "and now she's dead" ... don't get me started ...
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  Frenchy

  I think you've already started.

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  You make a good point about the desensitizing that results from such a viewpoint. That is certainly true and undeniable. There is a lot of suffering in the world. People try to cope with that awful fact in various ways. Some try to do some good in some small corner of the world. Some send money to what they consider a worthwhile charity. Some dedicate their lives to the finding of a cure for one single, solitary ailment. A large (perhaps the major) portion of humanity is simply overwhelmed by it all and cannot deal with totality of all that is wrong with our world. Witnesses have been told that all of this will be taken care of in due time and they find comfort in knowing that. It’s not that they don’t care that it happens but they have found comfort in the assurance that all wrong will be reversed.

  We may fault someone for being so simple minded and gullible but I do not think that we can honestly call them wicked and evil and ascribe improper motives to them because of what they have come to believe. I do not argue with the end results of that type of mentality, only the motives involved.

  -My regrets stand like grim sentinels at the gates of roads once taken but not to be traveled again...The French Knight-
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  ISP

  Whatever your views...the WTS is no place to bring up children. I have 2, 7+6....so there is no way I am going back!

  ISP
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  OUTLAW

  Hey Fenchy,the Organization supports and worships a creature that would do something that evil.The jws support the organization of that evil creature.They want to call it GOD?I don`t think so!...OUTLAW

  The Golden Rule:The people with the gold make the rules.
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  ashitaka

  I'm afraid I have to agree with Billygoat-I go one step further-I HATE the JW's for what they've done to me, and if you're part of it, I hate you too. (not you per se). I'm so f**king tired of feeling pity for people who don't want pity. I'm tired of loving people who can feel no love.

  F**k JW's. Many, if not most, are completly hopeless.

  Sorry folks, I've just had a shitty couple of weeks, but that's how I feel right now. Absolutely f**king hopeless to even try.

  ashi
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  NameWithheld

  Ha ha, yes I did didn't I?

  I don't think I'm trying to make the point that the average JW is 'evil' (and I think that we could endlessly discuss just what exactly does 'evil' mean as well). I know that the vast majority of JWs do not feel mallous or evil intent to their fellow man, even non-JWs. They even convince themsleves that they are in fact doing the most good that they can for mankind. But that leads us back to the debate of Hitler and his army - I can assure you that there were many that felt they were doing 'good' for their country. An extreme example I know, and JWs are not performing ethnic cleansing, etc. But the same end is involved - that is that blindly following your leaders around doesn't neccessarly absolve you from the 'blame' to be assigned for the outcome. Just because a JW feels he's doing the right thing by DF'ing sister weak for her fornication, or brother weak for his smoking (or whatever), or the parents for shunning their children for failing to live up to the JW standard, doesn't make the 'evil' outcomes any easier to bear for the victims.
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  LDH

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  God will fix it "Real Soon Now". See a homeless person? God will fix it "Real Soon Now". See 5,000+ people die in a collapsing pile of ruble? God will fix it "Real Soon Now" (not to mention they were going to die anyway "Real Soon Now").

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  Brilliant!

  I wonder if we couls get Norm to write an essay entitled "Real Soon Now?"

  Lisa
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  Frenchy

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  I agree with what you say. Bad things can and do come from good intentions. This is certainly true and a black eye hurts just as much regardless of the intent! It just makes it easier to bear when the assailant looks like he's sorry!

  -My regrets stand like grim sentinels at the gates of roads once taken but not to be traveled again...The French Knight-
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  Frenchy

  I don’t want to be in the WTBS bubble and neither do I want my children or grandchildren there. The Society is wrong and has caused great harm. There are some wonderful people that have been snagged and I cannot condemn them for not seeing the true light as yet for I too well remember how long it took me to take off the green glasses.

  OUTLAW: The organization worships itself. If it ever did exist as a means of bringing people to the creator, that has long since ceased. Individuals have been deceived into thinking that they are worshipping God when they are in fact worshipping the organization. That does not make them evil, only misinformed.

  Ashitaka:
  I’m no longer part of it so I suppose that on that basis you are not obliged to hate me. I certainly hope that you do not. It’s very easy to love those who are lovable and those who reciprocate the love we give to them. It’s quite a different matter to love those people who have traits that disturb or disgust us. It’s also difficult to love people that (at least in our minds) hate us. Most people cannot do it.

  “Many, if not most, are completly hopeless.” –Ash.

  I was once one of those hopeless people as was my wife and as my children still are as well as some close and dear friends. I cannot accept your evaluation for that would mean giving up hope on people that I love dearly. To me that would be a great sin. I am of the sort that would rather try against overwhelming odds rather than curse at my plight.

  I know you’re angry. I don’t know your personal situation so I will assume that you have a right to be. In time the anger will pass if you allow it to. You’ll find that life is much sweeter once the rage is gone.

  -My regrets stand like grim sentinels at the gates of roads once taken but not to be traveled again...The French Knight-
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  25ashitaka25

  French,

  I'm giving up hope right now. I can't see what will get them out. I'm completely helpless here...perhaps that is what I meant. It's no slight on you, my rage. I certainly don't mean that there is no hope for your family, but for me, I've given up.

  I was under the delusion that my family would someday leave, but I don't think that's ever going to happen. I have almost no friends, because I'm scared to death of making them (my wife has an even harder time than myself), and we despise our families for their cowardice and inaction.

  I'm so goddamn tired of fighting. I fought since I was a little kid. I'm so worn out, and I have no one to hold me up. My wife is sickly, and my family isn't very strong. My wife's family still persecutes her, which hurts her very much. I can't seem to find the time to get myself together.

  I wish I had a network of ex-JW's who lived near me, whom I could REALLY talk to, not just on chat. While this can be therapudic, it is very cold, and I really need someone older and wiser to talk to...a mentor, if you will.

  But, do you think that your hope is based on reality or dreams? (That is not a slight.) Truly, do you think that they will change?

  ashi