Armageddon

by sayitsnotso 91 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  sayitsnotso

  Hmm the Wt is the ark? Here I thought that Jesus was the door, and anyone seeking to enter thru any other means was a thief and a plunderer.

  So the implication then is God won't destroy 99.9% of people at armeggedon, but 67% 1 . How is that any better for the argument that this would be unjust? Yet, I never thought about the claim to the org being the ark may be wrong. Yet how can it be wrong if they are God's org? As I mentioned in another post on this thread that would be a discussion for another thread.

  1 http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
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  isaacaustin
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  notverylikely

  Since Revelation is mostly symbolic

  How do you know the flood wasn't as well?
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  notverylikely

  especially since 2 Peter references the Flood in comparison to Armaggedon

  Jude references the Bok of Enoch, but that was an uninspired piece of shit according to the WT....
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  isaacaustin

  sayitsnotso:

  I'm beginning to have some doubts about my doubts. This subject is one of them.

  Many argue that it is unfair, unloving, and unjust for God to destroy 99.9% of all mankind at Armageddon. But didn't this happen before in the days of Noah? At this point some may argue that the flood never happened. I'm interested in answers from a point of view that the bible is inspired and infallable. It is with this premise (whether or not some of you may say is false) that I'd like to discuss this.

  If Noah's flood destroyed 99.9% of mankind, then why is it so hard to accept the same will happen at Armageddon?

  My reply:

  I do not believe it would be unfair or unjust of God to destroy mankind. We have all sinned (no matter how righteous or law-abiding we are) and fall short of God's glory. Would God be unjust in destroying 100% of the population? No. However, thru God's grace (or undeserved kindness if you prefer) offered each and every one of us a free pardon. This does not make any of us deserving of anything, but accentuated God's love. I will not make the statement that all who do not accept the pardon will be destroyed since God can save whom He wants to. The issue seems to roll out from this though of what is the 'ark', or how does one accept this pardon.

  I think Ephesians 2 described the situation of what Jesus did for us.

  1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
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  PSacramento

  No. The geological, fossil and historical records disagree with there ever having been a flood.

  A GLOBAL flood, just to make it clear.
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  isaacaustin

  Hmm the Wt is the ark? Here I thought that Jesus was the door, and anyone seeking to enter thru any other means was a thief and a plunderer.

  So the implication then is God won't destroy 99.9% of people at armeggedon, but 67% 1 . How is that any better for the argument that this would be unjust? Yet, I never thought about the claim to the org being the ark may be wrong. Yet how can it be wrong if they are God's org? As I mentioned in another post on this thread that would be a discussion for another thread.

  Sayitsonotso: As I think you can see it all comes back to one issue here- Is the WT org God's org? If yes, then we should follow it. If not, we should not. I am more than willing to discuss any topic you would like, but as you can see it will all seem to roll back to that basic issue.
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  Black Sheep

  It is with this premise (whether or not some of you may say is false) that I'd like to discuss this.

  Bad call.

  Is there any point in debating any issue without first verifying the validity of the data?

  I live in NZ. We have kiwis, fat arsed ducks that have never been able to fly or swim ten feet, let alone get from the other side of the planet to here without leaving a few babies in other countries on the way.

  If your theory requires Noah's flood as a precedent, you really do have your work cut out disproving an abundance of evidence against the notion of a worldwide flood.

  Good luck

  Chris
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  notverylikely

  A GLOBAL flood, just to make it clear.

  Bingo. I knew you had my back ;)
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  sayitsnotso

  So it's OK to rape a woman because you're bigger and stronger?

  I never said that was okay. I do not see how this is a valid comparison. I'm sorry.

  Supposedly we are rational beings created with free will yet, when we make any other choice than what god wants us to make, well, that free will is gonna cost you your existence.

  Well what's wrong with that. If God say do not do this or you will die and we do it anyway. Isn't it just stupidity on our part? If I told you don't jump off a cliff because it would kill you, would you argue that you would use your freewill to jump? Obviously you could by it would be stupid.

  So a parent should be able to kill their child for arbitrary disobedience? Really? I mean, after all, they created the child and fed and clothed and taught it.

  I feel this is a much more valid point thatn the one about raping a women. I'll have to think more about this. Yet, I'd like to ask you. Was God wrong for killing Adam and Eve? They were created perfect. They were not sinful. Disobienence then was purposeful. If God made the rules, and they didn't play by them, who's fault is it then?

  Actually, can you show me in the bible where is said satan rebelled and tried to take god's power?

  I don't think the bible says he tried to take God's power (maybe I misunderstand what you mean by power), but implicitly it says he did rebell.