Some thoughts on unions

by JeffT 343 Replies latest members politics

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  bohm

  It is their right, but it may prevent them from being competitive on a global or even a local scale.

  yes it may.

  but how am i supposed to compete with a 10 year old kid in a sweat shop in mumbai who glue crap together for bananas and all the glue he can eat? i dont think unions is the fundamental problem why american/european workers are uncompetetive in certain productions sectors, i think it have to do with the fact we basically wont work in the conditions people in china will, unions or no unions.
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  villabolo

  Sam Whiskey: "This is the free market at work. A person is compensated according to the value of his skill."

  Mindless repetition of the same mantra. That statement has already been responded to but there has been no counter response. Which is expected when the facts presented are outside of someone's religious/ideological framework. Don't answer because you can't answer.

  For those lurkers, who may have missed the previous rebuttal to the above statement by Sam, here we go again.

  The free authoritarian corporate market is worldwide. As certain fools mindlessly repeat, but are incapable of understanding the implications of, that means that $1 an hour Chinese workers have eventually gotten most of the jobs outsourced to them regardless of whether their American counter parts were...here are the magic words again, cover your ears and sing la la la Mammon worshipers...regardless of whether their American counterparts were

  making minimum wage

  or DO NOT work for a union!

  Is that loud enough, oh deaf ones?

  Villabolo
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  FlyingHighNow

  People in China are treated like slaves with no rights. They do a lot of things out of being forced, especially do young women.
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  DaCheech

  again: then tell your fearless leader Obaminator to raise the minumum wage (living wage).

  see, no union needed, and no more contributions into the coffers of the democrats
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  FlyingHighNow

  Raising the minimum wage is a joke unless you raise it to a real living wage.
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  JeffT

  I highly respect how things are done in Sweden. Unions protect workers. Taxes are used to buy real, valuable benefits for citizens. I also love the music.

  When we were in Stockholm twenty years ago, a Bigmac cost 9$. For lunch one day my wife and I had two chicken salad sandwiches and two glasses of wine. Cost $50. I'm glad I wasn't paying for that trip.

  Loved the country by the way, but the price of everything was insane. Maybe it works better if you actually live there.

  Edited to add:

  Raising the minimum wage is a joke unless you raise it to a real living wage

  I'm still looking for responses to my comments about positive feed back and meeting payroll.

  Where is the money going to come from and what happens to your living wage when the price of everything goes up?
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  lisaBObeesa

  see, no union needed, and no more contributions into the coffers of the democrats

  And THERE you have it. The real reason for the union busting that is going on.

  The big guys, the corporations and banks and the Wall Street thieves, can give tons of money to the Republicans. The working man can band together to give money to the Dems.
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  moshe

  that means that $1 an hour Chinese workers have eventually gotten most of the jobs outsourced to them regardless of whether their American counter parts were...here are the magic words again, cover your ears and sing la la la Mammon worshipers...regardless of whether their American counterparts were making minimum wage or DO NOT work for a union!

  Corporations have figured out (with no laws from government to stop them) how to make profits without hiring any workers- it's that plain to some of us. Corporations don't seem to have to bear the social cost of the millions of workers they have put out on the street from outsourcing work, either. The day we have a (low wage) math professor in India teaching American college students via Internet widescreen 2-way conferencing is the day we have taught college economics professors how the free market works in lowering the cost of university educations and they find out that tenure is as bad as union membership and it has to be eliminated.- but you see the colleges have rigged the game, so there is no meaninful competition for the over-priced product they market.
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  DaCheech

  lisa, you took my quote out of context:

  include the no-action of your idols
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  FlyingHighNow

  When we were in Stockholm twenty years ago, a Bigmac cost 9$. For lunch one day my wife and I had two chicken salad sandwiches and two glasses of wine. Cost $50. I'm glad I wasn't paying for that trip.

  Loved the country by the way, but the price of everything was insane. Maybe it works better if you actually live there.

  This is New York City. Any big city overcharges because they can, especially if there are a lot tourists visiting. The prices in the country side likely do not compare to the prices in the city.

  Payroll. A company in the black can pay the payroll. What about a company with a $1,000,000 dollar payroll who pays its CEO several million per year and then whines that it cannot meet its payroll?