Some thoughts on unions (page 23)

villabolo

My dear Beks, my sincerest apologies on my previous 'backstabbing' cartoon post. I meant to write your name, Beks, but I must be so entranced by that demonic clown that I unintentionally wrote Becks.Oops!

Villabolo

FlyingHighNow

FHN - We're both American's. If you were my neighbor;

I'd shovel your snow to help you out

I'd mow your lawn to be a good neighbor

I'd help you haul brush to the dump

I'd help you wash your dog

I'd do whatever it took to make sure you were safe

I hard times, I would share my food with you

That's what we do, that's who we are, we're Americans....even though we have differences of opinion.

Thank you. I'd do the same for you. I gave a month's worth of food to a service woman and her four children when she came back from Iraq last September. I take care of my teenaged grandson with no financial help from his parents and no food stamps. I do things for other friends of mine, including one who is disabled. I am his payee and help him with finances and paperwork, etc. I just had to help him do a buydown. I give a lot. But I know all these people would do the same for me if the tables were turned.

Lozhasleft

I have spent the last few days wondering what all you guys can have to say about Onions lol.....I really must go to Specsavers.

Loz x

JeffT

Jeff, you don't have to overcomplicate things.

I do if you insist on oversimplifying it. There is a world of difference between profit and cash flow. Meeting payroll demands managing the later in such a way that there is money in the bank when the employees get their checks. It isn't easy. And contrary to what the lefties on this board seem to think some of us right wingers take that responsibility seriously enough to lose sleep over it. I developed the insomnia I now suffer from doing spreadsheets in the middle of the night to make sure that happened. Now I'm trying to talk sense into some people that think the bullshit they heard on whatever the left wing equivalent of Glen Beck is are the laws of the universe.

I don't care if you think the question is RW crap. You keep saying that bosses get paid too much. I gave you a financial situation and asked what you think it is too much. "Too much" is a slogan, not a policy. Put a number on it so we know what you have in mind.

I suspect that the people I was working for make a lot less than you think, while taking all of the risk involved with running a business and provided jobs to a lot of the hard working folks you purport to care about.

Yeah, I'm a little hot under the collar. I'm unemployed and out of benefits and I don't really feel like listening to other people bitch about how they aren't getting paid enough. Whatever it is, it is 100% more than I make.

And no I don't want a handout, I want a job and I don't like seeing people that are better off than I am throwing up roadblocks (well intentioned, but still roadblocks) to that in the name of helping me.

villabolo

Lozhasleft:

"I have spent the last few days wondering what all you guys can have to say about Onions lol.....I really must go to Specsavers."

Try mine.

Villabolo

FlyingHighNow

Jeff, you're unemployed. I can empathize. I was laid off in 2005. I have only been able to find part time work since then. I still think companies need to pay liveable wages to their employees. We were always more than generous and fair when we hired people. And they were paid before we were paid. When it got to the point that we could not pay someone, we would help them move on to one of our friends' who was in a similar business.

villabolo

Wisconsin Police Union Announces

Solidarity with Occupation of State House

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVE_rLjxnfU&feature=player_embedded

Villabolo

villabolo

JeffT:

I don't care if you think the question is RW crap. You keep saying that bosses get paid too much. I gave you a financial situation and asked what you think it is too much. "Too much" is a slogan, not a policy. Put a number on it so we know what you have in mind.

Too much is what Home Depot's CEO Nardelli got just to bail out of the Company when stockholders where complaining about the way he handled things.

$200 million dollars

Is that enough of a definition of too much?

I worked for Home Depot. There used to be a time when a worker, about 10 years ago, could earn $15 or more just for being a good worker. Then when Nardelli took over he started slashing salaries and hours. It went down to about a dollar above minimum wage. He did this to save money in order to boost the value of stocks.

The result of this was the elimination of the knowledgeable workers who, when they left the job would only be replaced by high turnover workers who would never learn anything about their departments. The understaffing was severe. Customers hated it and where constantly complaining about the lack of service. Workers burned out on it and would not last.

But Nardelli, like all calculating psychopaths, knew that he had a captive audience. So what if people hated going to Home Depot? They had a choice of driving 10 miles out of their way to find a Lowes. Once a CEO realizes that their company has monopolized the market to the point where the competition, assuming they have better service, is too inconveniently located for people to drive to, they crapping on their customers knowing that they have nothing to lose.

Villabolo

DaCheech

do you guys realize price fixing is illegal?

moshe

Too much is what Home Depot's CEO Nardelli got just to bail out of the Company when stockholders where complaining about the way he handled things.

And where did Nardelli go next?- why, the Cerberus hedge fund hired him to run their newly purchased Chrysler in July of 2007. He decided almost immediately to shut down the 25mpg Pacifica at the end of 2007- come 2008 when gasoline was climbing towards $4/gal the dealers could have sold all the Pacificas they could have gotten. He decided in early 2008 that we had too way many engineers, with nothing to do ( Chrysler had basically frozen the R&D research on future powertrain products), so he got rid of 25% of them, then another 25% of them were offered buyouts six months later. That is when I decided to accept my 3rd early retirement offer. Nardelli was going to slice and dice Chrysler/Jeep, except he couldn't find even a buyer for Jeep. Six months after I retired Chrysler closed their doors and filed for bankruptcy. Thanks to government help, Fiat was able to buy into Chrysler and finally the company had a manager who wanted us to succeed and knew how to make the right decisions- and he is not an over paid CEO either. GM and Ford executives don't like him for that.

Yes, Home Depot at one time was a company where a hard working person could earn a living wage- and they can afford to pay a living wage from the profits on all those Chinese made tools, screws and light bulbs they sell.

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