by flipper 200 Replies latest members private
XJW's who have a manmade label attached to them are gagged.
No JW or JW family member will have a thing to do with them.
That's real silence.
Iron Head can't read. You made it abundantly clear that by avoiding a label, you are keeping yourself...talkable.
I may be missing something because I'm only a UBM who was exposed to JW's as a child.
In a fashion, I agree with DJeggnog. I don't think it was wise to discuss "spiritual" matters with this man. ("Spiritual" = concerns directly relating to the JW faith.)
It's never a good idea to ID yourself as an Apostate.
Better to just ask questions to get them to out themselves as mindlessly following a bunch of old farts in Brooklyn.
Thank you flipper for all the insight you gave me on this matter. I feel you have done all you can to cover yourself. Isn't this cult exciting? A grown man has to go though all this nonsense just so he can speak to his adult daughter. What is your crime? You just don't believe in the WT. It wasn't so many years ago I would have gone after you as a apostate. Boy have I ever had the veil lifted from my eye's in the last few years. Alot of it is because of you and many others who have spoken out on this board. Keep up the good work and I hope your daughter will soon give you a call and find out you are not the big monster some make you out to be. But just a guy looking for the truth. Thank you so much. Totally ADD
Flipper,
You must have one terrific wife to put up with all the nonsense the WT keeps putting you both through because of their ridiculous shunning rules. The baggage you bring from your former JW life can be a terrible burden not only for you but for the new wife who knows nothing of what she was getting into when she married you. I know it must hurt her too seeing the pain it is causing you. You and your wife have my support and empathy during this trialsome time.
(((((((((((((Flipper & Mrs. Flipper)))))))))))
Wishing you the best for you and your family.
Reopened Mind
This is what happen when you have two computers 10 feet apart in two rooms next to each other. We both were writing comments to you. LOL Totally ADD
But he'll get a BIG surprise if he comes back with ANOTHER elder - because I only invited HIM ALONE back. I know the drill of why he would bring another elder- to get two eyewitnesses to what I'd say. So- IF that eventuality happens- I will control the situation and ask that the other elder waits in his car if the initial elder wants to talk. OR - I'd tell them " Well, we can talk about the weather, wall street, baseball, camping, hobbies, etc. but NOT JW topics unless there is only ONE of you here. "
I have not read all the comments (4 pages) yet, so someone else may have warned you:
It does not take 2 witness TO THE SAME EVENT, it can be 2 witness to 2 different events of the same thing (support of apostate teachings) to set you up for a Judicial Committee. So, if a different elder returns to talk to you, or if Elder #1 returns with Elder #2, but Elder #1 goes back to the car, by you saying all the same things to Elder #2 will constitute TWO WITNESSES to your apostate views and qualify for you to be invited to a JC.
For the last 7 years I've presented myself as an unbelieving relative to any JW's calling on our door so as to be able to talk openly to them.
To present yourself as "AN UNBELIEVER" might not be a good idea any more. That could easily be construed that you no longer consider yourself one of Jehovah's Witnesses. (= Disassociation)
.....at some point one or both of them will ask you the "Loyalty" question "Do you believe WT/JW's is God's organization ?" or similar. At that point, if you do not wish to be DF'd you have to either lie and say "YES", or do as I did, and just let the question hang in the air,...one Elder then waffled, he couldn't stand the silence...
Perhaps a good answer would be: OF COURSE I DO! JUST AS MUCH AS THEY ALWAYS HAVE BEEN! You are just stumbled over some issues with famliy members or other brothers and that you are patiently waiting on Jehovah to set these matters straight. (??? thoughts anyone???)
Re-read it, dolphin boy
Mr Flipper has explained that he does not want to be DF'd at present because his elderly JW parents would feel obliged to have nothing to do with him if that were the case.
Courage has nothing to do with it, this snivelling little cult of the Watchtower exercises its totalitarian hold on members by means of its ex-communication policy (Dis-fellowshipping is a word not in the dictoinary)
I am in the same position, and if I lose the last bit of time with my Mother because of standing up for what I know to be true, will you get her back from the dead for me ?
It is far from easy, choosing this method, I would rather let 'em all have it, but I have no choice, neither does Flipper.
No choice? There's always a choice. You choose to be cowards
Iron Head,
Flipper calls himself an unbelieving relative so that he CAN TALK TO OTHERS OPENLY.
He can call himself what he wants. I call him a coward
The WTS's rules about shunning labeled people don't apply to unbelieving relatives.
I don't follow WatchTower rules. Haven't since 1991
If he says he's an apostate (their word), then he CANNOT SPEAK OPENLY.
That makes him a coward and a punk
There is no silence on his part, rather, he is seeking to keep the silence broken.
HE SEEKS TO SPEAK UP!
Clear now?
Very clear for many years, thanks
"he is seeking to keep the silence broken."
Hilarious
I don't take Ironhead OR DJ Eggnog very seriously. No harm done. Peace out, Mr. Flipper
If you took anything seriously, you'd have to answer for yourself
Peace out dolphinboy
