Why God keeps silent to somebody even after intensive cry? (page 8)

OnTheWayOut

I, as well as others have begged to the True God, and have begged literally until it hurts and the pain is so great as I mentioned before that I could literally die.

Please, PLEASE forgive my candor here, dear one, but I have say, in truth, that it was NOT to the TRUE God that you appealed... because you do not KNOW the True God. Rather, you appealed to a God created by man... in order to hold sway over his enemies... and one whose identity was laer usurped, misused, and maligned... even falsely named... by other men... in order to take advantage of those they want to control. The TRUE God is JaHVeH... JAH... of Armies... who is the Most Holy One of Israel. May I ask: was it He who you begged to?

With all due respect and not wishing to get into some argument, I must say that it is a low blow to suggest to someone that they appealed to the wrong god. Cofty's point is well received that God refused a heartfelt cry for help because the supplicant didn't know the secret name.

You can say it's not about the name, but it's just as much a secret if people legitimately appealed to God in their weakest moments and somehow get it wrong.

AGuest

I must say that it is a low blow to suggest to someone that they appealed to the wrong god.

So, lying to them is better, Jer? I would think we've all had enough of THAT, already. But you're saying that that line, "You can't handle the truth" is... well, true, for a whole lot of folks. Right?

Peace!

A slave of Christ,

SA

OnTheWayOut

Okay then. I will say that AGuest agrees that it is the truth that people legitimately appealed to God in their weakest moments and somehow get it wrong.

I have to agree with Cofty that such a god is a prick. Handle that truth.

cyberjesus

coffy.... hahahaha i like it with milk

OnTheWayOut

For AGuest to try to upset Cofty by deliberately call him the wrong name and act as if that proves the point, it's really more of her creating God in her perceived image of God. It's the same as some saying God is the God of love in the Bible but all that negative stuff about Him is wrong.

We are not talking about people approaching God in a deliberately wrong way. And we are not talking about petty people. We are talking about God. If sincere people call Him Jehovah because that's what they think is His name, or if they burn incense to Him or do some dance around the fire to him, if they think He is the God of the entire Bible or the God who has nothing to do with the Bible, it should make no difference to God. Regardless of why people are distracted to the "wrong gods" if they are sincere when they approach Him, God should understand that.

unshackled

Gonna have to disagree with Cofty here...in this case god is more of an asshole.

Band on the Run

I suffered utterly excruciating facial pain for 30 years. The suicide rate is 95%. The pain is the worse known to humans. It is far worse than terminal cancer pain. Clearly, I fear death. I am not certain what your point is. I worshipped at the episcopal Cathedral in NY when I became ill. Of course, I could not work as a lawyer so I travelled to the Cathedral to help with their charitable missions and learn more about the community there. If I stayed in my apartment, I would kill myself. Other people, particullarly helping other people, kept me alive. A famous author, Madeleine L'Engle, A Wrinkle in Time and many other books helped me. She listened carefully to my fears. When I explained that I could not understand God's silence in light of horrible events, such as the Holocaust. She asked me where it was written in scripture that being Christian meant I was protected from bad deeds.

She correctly pointed out that Jesus' predicts great tribulation for Christians. In fact, he promises great prosecution. He does promise to be present with me through my crisis. This shows that my secular knowledge is stronger than my scriptural knowledge, even when I know the scripture well. A protege of Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, was the son of a Lutheran bishop. He finds God very immoral. Abraham and Isaac - what a bloodthirsty awful monster. And he pulls the same crap with his own son. Why do we worship such a creep? His arguments are in The Problem of Job. I read Job carefully. It does not say what I think. If you take away the opening prose, it is a majestic poem. Who created the crocodile? is pure beauty. I cannot say it is a sufficient answer. God falls short.

The author of Job confronted this. I am certain this issue was addressed by the gods that predated Jehovah and the gods that will postdate Jehovah. Actually, YHWH does not translate Jehovah. They can't even get his name correct.

OnTheWayOut

My oh my. I read AGuest's long post of her personal experience on page 4 of the thread, Does God Speak to You? HOW? http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/208330/4/Does-God-speak-to-you-HOW

Peace to you and all, but ....

I have to say she was in a similar place to the one I was in before becoming a JW. I won't drone on at all to make some kind of comparison. As a matter of fact, I am sorry I said anything to her today.

I am really truly done arguing with her. I won't avoid her like she's a plague, but it really is pointless to continue pleasant (or otherwise) debating with her.

I will just carefully tiptoe out of this thread and a few others now.

I think this video will help some of you understand what I mean:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7wsG7yvYQc

Heartofaboy

Yep me to OnTheWayOut.

I must apologise to Ohio first as I did not mean to be unkind it's not my nature. I am truly sorry for the loss of your faithful dog, my puppy means the world to me & I would protect her with my life.

AGuest makes me feel very uneasy.

Hoab

watersprout

AGuest makes me feel very uneasy.

I have to say that Shelby is one of the most loving, kind, sweet, generous, all out fabulous person i have come to know! There is nothing ''uneasy'' about her! Perhaps she wrote something that tugged at your heart and your putting it down to ''uneasiness''?? I don't know, i don't know you...It's just a thought. The dubs make me uneasy with there unloving, vicious, spiteful, narcissitic personalities!

Peace

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