To pick on Welfare recipients is quite low,.....
Low hanging fruit of an arguement,... pathetic I must say.
Welfare Queen Asks For Too Much
by Bangalore 170 Replies latest jw friends
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FlyingHighNow
There is fraud in business. Let's get rid of all businesses.
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AGuest
Okay, NOW, you're onto something, dear BTS (again, peace to you!). Let's take a look:
$2.5 billion was wasted on improper payments.
Notice it says improper "payments"... and NOT improper "claims"? Government incompetence (i.e., paying claims to dead people, even though the family has notified them on several occasions of the death... duplicate check issuances... and misspelling of names/payments to non-existing persons/entities!)... accounts for the lion's share of this. Trust me: I bill the government for housing payments... and I know how many "overpayments" were billed/made... just in Section 8 housing... over the past 30+ years. Had absolutely NOTHING to do with tenants. Same thing occurs with welfare, SSA, SSI, unemployment, and a host of other programs.
As the one article states:
"... the Social Security Administration made $6.5 billion in overpayments in 2009, but it isn’t known how much was due to inadvertent errors and how much was due to wanton fraud."
Trust me, as much, if not more, was due to "inadvertent errors." I've spent too many hours "cleaning up" such errors... and "reconciling" HAP vouchers... wherein exorbitant amounts of monies were paid BACK to the feds, as a result of my predecessors' "errors" (and, in some cases, crimes - i.e., billing the government for rents on vacant units or units rented "off the books" (and in the manager's pocket!)).
Medicare fraud costs taxpayers as much as $90 billion a year.
While patients are responsible for some medicare fraud, doctors/hospitals are, as well, due to OVERBILLING (to the tune of billions of dollars!), as are [illegal immigrants] (from all over the world!) and people without healthcare (either because they can't afford it or are too cheap to pay it)... through medical identity fraud.
C'mon, folks - if you don't work in these areas/with these people... you really are going off a lot of media "hype"... which is often very inaccurate. I mean, according to "them," Jennifer Aniston is the "sexiest woman who ever lived" or something like that. EVER lived? Seriously?? News publishers need news. So, ANY news item that will catch attention and sell (well, I would have said newspapers, but)... is gonna be put out there... AND ramped up to be even more interesting. Sometimes the "details" are even made up! Regardless... it is not the NORM. "Norm" doesn't make the news, dear ones.
I have to say that I find a couple of the "cases" posted interesting, though. For example:
1. Kenneth Eurdean Hopper III, 40, applied for food stamps even though a felony conviction disqualified him from receiving such aid. He was sentenced to one year in jail after he pleaded no contest to welfare fraud, a felony, and being under the influence of marijuana, a misdemeanor.
I'm sorry... but why didn't the background check reveal his felony so that his application was REJECTED in the first place? He applied; they apparently said, "Okay, here." Why is HE the criminal for THEM falling down on their jobs? Here's another:
Feleni F. Leota, 32, applied for cash aid and food stamps even though she worked two jobs, earning $19,000 annually.
OMG, she's obviously well off and not in need of aid. C'mon, her TWO jobs earned her $19,000 a year (about $1585 a month), and I'm guessing that's BEFORE taxes). Why in the WORLD would she need MORE?? Another:
Welfare recipients and their friends and relatives defrauded taxpayers of $500 million a year through the county's child care programs, a grand jury report concluded. The report found that nearly half the $1.1 billion CalWORKS child care program is lost to fraud. DPSS staff said the grand jury study shouldn't be used to draw conclusions about child-care fraud because it was not specifically a fraud study.
Why did they say this? Because, according to the laws of this country regarding fraud in such programs, there are VERY specific guidelines to determining "fraud"... and that usually is that it is has been found to be so by a court of law. Until then, it isn't fraud.. but only alleged fraud... and you almost cannot say/accuse a person of that, either. How about this:
Through their citizen children, illegal immigrants in Los Angeles County collect $420 million annually in welfare and food stamps, according to a report requested by 5th District County Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich. The Los Angeles County Department of Public Social Services told the supervisor that payments to illegal immigrants' children amount to approximately 24% of the county's combined CalWORKS and food stamps budget. According to Antonovich's office, illegal immigrants annually cost the county $360 million in health care and $220 million in incarceration costs.
According to OUR laws, the children are citizens. So, they're entitled to aid, which means it's NOT fraud, regardless of what the article wants you to believe. Doesn't matter who their parents are. What to do? Change the law so that such children aren't "citizens" might be one way to go. Otherwise, you're hard pressed to keep folks out of the country (and why should you, if they're coming to work??). As for the $220 million in incarceration, if that's the route you want to take to make sure they don't "multiply" in your streets... rather than deporting them... then, yes, it's going to cost you. You can't house people... even if it's in a cell... for free.
As for the others, some (not all, no) involved amounts/circumstances so MINUTE... that it probably cost the state more to prosecute them than it did to pay them in the first place. Given the amount of staff time and administrative costs... there should be a less judicial, more administrative process to handle such amounts (say, anything under $500-$5000). Unfortunately, those kinds of processes tend to infringe on people's rights more so in ways you could never imagine. I have seen it. I have written up, disciplined, even terminated "eligibility" workers under my supervision for it.
Again, better try walking in them moccasins... or at least walking WITH them for a spell... so's you have a more accurate picture of what's really going on.
Peace to you!
A slave Christ,
SA
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AGuest
Where does one report the WTBTS... for THEIR fraud? A whole bunch of us "bought into" that scam. Personally, I want my money back.
Peace!
A slave of Christ,
SA
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No Room For George
Sheesh Shelby.......
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NewChapter
LOL, Shelby is all over this.
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tec
Awesome, Miz, lol.
Oh... and I guess you too, Shelby.
Peace,
Tammy
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mrsjones5
Shelby
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skeeter1
Georgia's welfare benefits:
Welfare Payments
Welfare payments are part of welfare benefits are provided by state governments and are regulated by the SRS programs as determined by each state government. Who can receive these welfare benefits is determined by a number of eligibility requirements which include:
- If anyone in the household is pregnant.
- Household gross income for the month.
- If there are migrant or seasonal workers in the home.
- How much the rent or mortgage payments are for the household.
- How much the utility bills are for the household.
- Any other necessary and required living expenses.
- Individual gross incomes for each family member.
- Actual available cash on hand for the household including checking and savings accounts.
- Whether any other benefits are being received in the home.
- If there are any disabled or infirmed persons in the home.
- If any family members live outside the home.
- Any criminal convictions within the home.
Special considerations will also be made for those households caring for expectant mothers.
Welfare payments are generally received once per month, within the first week of each month, although some states may differ.
To apply for and be approved for welfare benefits will take time. The processing time for child care assistance, for example takes 30 days. If you are applying for basic cash assistance you can expect a wait time of 45 days. However if you are applying for food stamps, the turn-around time is only 7 days.
Allowance benefits are determined by a number of factors. States use a basic means test to determine eligibility and the amount welfare payments will be. The needs standard includes food, clothing, recreation, personal incidentals, fuel for heating, cooking and water heating, electricity for refrigeration and lights, household supplies, medical chest supplies and shelter.
Allowance benefits vary in what is paid out to individuals or families for any of the welfare programs. As each state regulates their own SRS programs, payment allowances will vary from state to state based on geography, cost of living and employment/educational opportunities within that state.
However, a basic average guideline for the food stamp program will show that an average family of 4 can expect an amount up to $500 per month for food stamps. This figure will greatly vary based on the age of the family members and medical needs. A single person household will show an expected average of up to $200 per month. Again, these figures are averages and not state specific.
Cash allowance benefits for financial assistance will also be state regulated and allowances paid will also vary based on different criteria. However, an average expectation can be placed on a family of 4 receiving up to $900 for their TANF allowance. A single person household can expect an average of up to $300.
These allowance benefits would be separate from any additional welfare benefits received such as child care, medical or utility assistance. (Georgia has "peach kids" for medical help, child care for working moms, etc).
Even as you look at these welfare amounts, it is not surprising that the current allowance benefits seldom if ever make ends meet for the recipient. The institutionalized program was set up to be an offset measure for those in need, not a complete replacement of income and benefits. The downside to this is that as the economy continues to take a nosedive, so does the available means for those living with minimal income. A family of 4 cannot live on $900 a month. Additionally, criminal activities meant to defraud the SRS program greatly limit the available funds for those who truly need and make the regulations stricter, in some cases too strict, eliminating the benefits for those who truly need it.
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botchtowersociety
For everyone annoyed by commenters who are against welfare fraud, from skeeter's post:
Additionally, criminal activities meant to defraud the SRS program greatly limit the available funds for those who truly need and make the regulations stricter, in some cases too strict, eliminating the benefits for those who truly need it.
You folks should be for GREATER oversight and protection of what the government disburses, not less.
