by doinmypart 473 Replies latest jw friends
Someone who hears a different voice than tec and shelby!
Ummm EE you have missed me out! *cries a few tears at being left out again* ;P
Cantleave that picture of the leech on the eyeball made my stomach flip! That was vile! :S
Peace and underoos to EE! ;)
Woe woe woe.... Are you telling me you hear yet another seperate voice sprout?
Oh no. Not another god not to believe in. Bloody hell. Maybe it really is like Small Gods? (sorry for the non-Discworld readers here)
Woe woe woe.... Are you telling me you hear yet another seperate voice sprout?
I have ''heard'' for a while... Been very open about it :D
Peace and UNDEROOS EE
:O forgive me sprout... I remember reading that you all had lots of dramma as you were exsiting the cult and elders chasing yall, but missed that had a personal revelation (hope that is the right phrase)....
So i gotta ask, and this is the part im always curious about most.... If its the same god talking to you, shelby, tec etc etc, if you all hear different things how do you dear ladies reconcile it...? Just as an example, myelane is exaining to tec why the mixing of company with other worshippers is bad, tec sees it differently, but both claim personal revelation from a divine source.... How is this to be reconciled...?
So i gotta ask, and this is the part im always curious about most.... If its the same god talking to you, shelby, tec etc etc, if you all hear different things how do you dear ladies reconcile it...? Just as an example, myelane is exaining to tec why the mixing of company with other worshippers is bad, tec sees it differently, but both claim personal revelation from a divine source.... How is this to be reconciled...?
It's not God, it's His Son that I hear. :)
As to Myelaine I have no idea, I have no idea what she's on about. I really should go back and have a read of it all, I tend to skip over Myelaines post's....
Peace
Sigh.... Common sprout, dont be obtuse :-( i didnt mean you hear the big guy himself. I know how it works. Odin dosent talk to me either, its Thor, but Thor is speaking on odins behalf. I take its the same for christians... But the question remains:
So i gotta ask, and this is the part im always curious about most.... If its the same god talking to you, shelby, tec etc etc, if you all hear different things how do you dear ladies reconcile it...? Just as an example, myelane is exaining to tec why the mixing of company with other worshippers is bad, tec sees it differently, but both claim personal revelation from a divine source.... How is this to be reconciled...?
Well with all of Myelane's talk about mixing is bad notice she continues to mix with us lost souls here too.
Pot meet kettle or should that be some like "folks who live in glass houses..."
I didn't mean to be obtuse... It's very very late here and i'm sorry if it came across that I was. :)
If we do hear different things that we talk about it like adults and not what Myelaine does and condemn everyone to hell :S If I read anything I disagree with I just go to Christ and He explains it. It's really that simple. Can't say I have ever fallen out with another body member. Now Myelaine on the other hand with her viper tongue :S Had emails and all sorts off her saying I worship the devil nad i'm not a Christian and my faith is all wrong blah blah blah.
Tammy knows what she believes and so does Myelaine. Although I think Myelaine is a Catholic and me no likey religion! But that's a whole other thread. ;)
Tammy and Myelaine will sort it out themselves, had my run ins with Myelaine and trust me they are exhausting :/
myelaine said this:
God created animals for us to tend and enjoy...it was man's downfall that led to the need for the sacrificial offerings that were portrayed in the OT. God's judgement necessitated a life for a life and because His creation...man...is more important and valuable to Him, He chose an animal life as a propitiation for the sins of the hebrew people...to put the life of an animal on par with the life of a human is pagan...
One things for sure: whenever YHWH is in Da' House, someone or something is going to be bleeding!
It's great that YHWH made so many different types of animals, for our sheer entertainment, huh? Esp. all those "unclean animals", useless for animal sacrifices: how gracious for YHWH to provide those SHEERLY for entertainment purposes, being unfit for either human or Godly consumption!
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As you know, per your own JW beliefs, animals were originally created, NOT for human consumption: God didn't give permission for men to eat animal flesh until AFTER the Flood. Up until then, animals were used primarily for sacrifice (1st-recorded sacrifice is that of Cain and Abel), and not to be eaten.
After the Flood, God decided not to bogart any longer, and share the good grub with mankind (God loves him the smell of tasty BBQ, apparently; burning the fat allowed the fumes to ascend upwards to the heavens, so he could "eat" the fumes)! This is quite similar to beliefs of other ancient cultures (Babylonians, Akkadians, etc) which existed 1,000s of years before, eg Epic of Gilgamesh depicts their Gods as "buzzing around like flies" at the BBQ.
Anyway, the premise underlying the instructions of killing of animals for eating was that the very act constituted the taking the life of the animal; that was considered a sin, in-and-of itself. The roots of this are seen in Noah's account after the Flood, where the blood is not to be eaten, but must be spilled onto the ground (at an altar that Noah built after the Flood). Why? Like their neighbors, Hebrews believed that the very life-force (Hebrew word is nephesh) of mortals resides in the blood (amongst other locations), and it needed to be released back "to the wild". That thinking is reflected in the prohibition against eating an animal that died from strangulation: it's life force hasn't been released, but was thought to have gotten trapped in the flesh after death.
In fact, until the Temple monopoly was lifted (well, required, after repeated destruction of the Temple), it was the very gravest of sins against the Land (on par with murder, idolatry, etc) to kill an animal, whether for purposes of eating or otherwise, away from the Temple for ANY purpose; doing so rendered the entire land as unclean, and hence ALL the inhabitants were subject to be "vomited" from it.
Animals to be eaten were to be slaughtered by the preistly class, only, at the Temple site, in accord with established rituals; only then was the food considered cleansed of the sin, and allowed to be eaten. (There are other ritualistic uses of animal sacrifice (eg guilt offerings, "wellness" offerings), but that's a bit OT). That's the letter of the law, as recorded in your Bible in Leviticus (and actual practices need to be questioned with a HUGE grain of salt, due to the wild impracticality).
BTW, notice the entire view of animals as disposable beings permeates the ENTIRE Bible, and has been used as justification for many inhumane acts against animals in the name of God: it's a very anthropocentric (man-centered) view! Ask PETA about the humaneness of animal sacrifice, and don't be surprised if you get an icy stare.
BTW, did you notice that in Gen 3:1 that God bears some of the responsibility for the Fall? "The serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made." Why did God make the serpent so crafty such that it would cause A&E to sin? Oh, wait, I know: the serpent wasn't literally a serpent, but represents Satan. He actually hijacked the serpent and used it's body as a costume, right?
So why did God CURSE the serpent and it's offspring to crawl on the ground, have humans be afraid of it, and eat dust (hint: that also was an ancient misbelief: animal behaviorists know snakes don't "eat dirt"). Get my point? Why should the animal who had it's body possessed by Satan be CURSED for being possessed? I know, it wouldn't be the first time the Bible takes up with blaming the victim (such as young girls who get raped by the brothers of their Canaanite friends, etc).
(PS the word in Gen 3:1 that is translated as "crafty" is " ‘a·rum", and occurs 7 times in the Bible. In 5 of those cases, it is translated as "prudent", one time as "sensible", and in this case, as "crafty". Those words mean VASTLY DIFFERENT THINGS, and carry very different connotations! That alone should point out the errancy of "translation" from a language with multiple definitions of words, no vowels, and no punctuation marks! The process of "Bible translation" should more accurately be called "Bible authoring", since which words are chosen can modify the entire meaning of a story.)
Fact is, the entire book of Genesis is an old creation myth, rich in symbolism that has been long-lost on most modern readers (eg the symbolism of touching the fruit, meanings of the fruit, even the choice of a serpent, carries meanings, etc). To argue for it's literality, it's historicity, is absolute non-sense in this day and age. The Adam and Eve story is one designed to reinforce why following rules to the tee is important: don't you think such a story might be good opener for a book containing Levitical laws?
The Bible is book of rules that served it's purpose to the culture that wrote it, but it's "fresh by" date has long-since passed: to think it has any relevance to provide guidance to modern people is absolutely nutso....
