INCREDIBLE STUFF SAID @ BOOK STUDY! (page 7)

bluesapphire

"So, we should appreciate that they are eager to help us, even though at times they may be wrong."

I'd like to see you apply this reasoning when any other religion falsely prophecies.

thewiz

I don't really know how to draw a conclusion on this one. I have voiced my opinions very strongly before on the idiots at the WTB&TS.

According to the bible David sinned several times

One time the a died -for David's mistake. Did God murder the child? Who paid for the mistake, God's "mouthpiece" or someone else?

David enumerated the people after God said not to. Thousands died, again at the hands of God's "mouthpiece."

Jesus recognized that somewhere around 18 people died in a tower collapse. Whose to blame? Why was nothing done?

In the grand scheme of things then does it all really matter? 200 years from now who is going to give a shit about what happened 200 years previous?

If God can resurrect people from the dead, in the long run what does anything matter? All the wrongs will be righted.

It's easy for me to say, but being one of the most resentful/unforgiving people on earth, hard to put into practice.

Elsewhere

This is assuming that "God can resurrect people from the dead".

"As every one knows, there are mistakes in the Bible" - The Watchtower, April 15, 1928, p. 126
Believe in yourself, not mythology.
<x ><

thewiz

Elsewhere

I have a theory on this as well. It sounds silly but bear with me.

Would you agree that if humans can do something, that God can do it infinitely better?

Look or listen to something from years ago. on tape/video.TV/radio, etc.

Though I don't watch them much, I like to use the 3 stooges.

They are all dead now.

However, we are capable, in our own little way, of bringing them back from the dead. We can relive the moment countless times. We hear them we see them. Eventually, someday the holodeck from Star Trek will be a reality; now we can "touch" them.

When that tape or CD or DVD is copied every single bit is copied to the next, into the 100's or 1000's. It is played and reconstructed by every compliant device and delivered faithfully to it's destination every time. Exactly the same everytime.

Also, think of all the data that is copied back and forth on a daily basis (just in the form of pirating software and/or duplicating software). The bit stream is absolutely astronomical. Who can count it? Yet something as crude as mechanical machines repeat this feat faithfully right down to the last bit. Exactly, everytime.

If all we are then, is a bit stream in the great expanse of time and to God, then how faithfully (no pun intended) can he reconstruct us?

If we can do something then God can do it one better.

IF I keep this up I may make it to the GB

gold_morning

Hi all,
I have read many, many posts on different topics. I have comment on some of the forums when I found it interesting.
I do have just a question on this one. As an ex JW I am amazed that some of you have such good points to make here on what you have heard at your book studies. That leads me to assume you are still active JW's. How can you be disputing what you learn by them, and yet remain in this religion? It is definatly a religion that expects exact conformity. You dissagree yet remain involved with them.
I am just curious. Not judging here, really. Just confused.
Can you share why you are still involved and attending their meetings?
agape love gold morning

dungbeetle

James, the brother of Jesus, the one most loved by him, made a comment: (paraphrasing) If your brother is hungry, or thirsty, or naked, and you send him on his way saying 'be warm and well-fed; but do not give him the necessities for his body, of what use is this?

Jehovah's Witnesses are beating, raping, and murdering one another at a rate uprobably nprecedented in their 120+ year history. These people, and especially their children (we lost 9 JW children in about a 14-week period recently, all but one to outright murder)need more than food, clothing and shelter---many of them need intervention.

While we can only do so much, many of us do what we can. We remain available (for some that means attending meetings, even still turning in field service and taking parts in the Theocratic Misery School <gag> <choke>) and we do what wee can to educate the public.

A good goal for many of us is no more Freemans, Bryants, Longos and Slacks. We can but try....

gold_morning

Dung,
Is a formal group. Is it like an inside spy group to keep up with what is going on..or is this just a personal conviction of what you feel you should do.
Do you try and teach them the word correctly? Is this like an outreach? Curious. gold morning

Mister Biggs

Hi, gold...

Since I began this thread I feel obligated to answer your question(s).

My faith in the Organization began to waver around October, 2001.
I told my wife about the doubts that I was having and she made it clear that she would "not leave Jehovah for anything!" I also talked to an elder about my feelings. I've even confided with close friends (JW's) about why I felt the way I felt. Each individual that I have spoken to have ALL given the standard response of, "Where else is there to go? Who else is doing the preaching work?"

Anyway, I'm still active and attending because I know that, once I stop attending, my marriage will most likely end.

Even though her love will turn off like a light switch (if she deems that I am an "apostate"), I still love her enough to not rob her of her "happiness" of being a JW.

When I have enough money saved I will then take my stand. That way, if my wife asks me to leave, I will be able to live on my own. (We have been married for 10 years and we have come to depend on two incomes).

Another reason why I'm still "in" is because a "Sister" helped me get my current job. It's a great company with a strong reputation and I make loads of money. However, I'm a Contractor. This Sister can influence the company's decision to keep me or let me go. So, as long as I appear to be in good standing in the Org, then I have a great chance to become permanent at my company. Once I become permanent, my exit of the Org can proceed.

These are my primary reasons for enduring the meetings.

I live in a shack and I poop in an outhouse.

Matty

I really feel for you a great deal, I know how it feels to be trapped in this organization. I've used the phrase "emotional blackmail" before, but it’s whole lot more complicated than that. In my case nobody is threatening me literally – in fact nobody knows how I feel. Everyone sees me as an exemplary witness. All I know is that the day I say that I no longer wish to be a witness the world as I know it now will fall apart. Once I say that to my mum and dad it can’t be unsaid, so I shall have to get the timing dead right! At the moment I have nothing else, in fact I am in a situation where I do not have ANY family that aren’t JWs. For the first time in my life I am trying to build some friendships outside. It’s very difficult, but I hope to get there eventually.

dungbeetle

Somebody stole my "wiz'..call a cop!!!

When you're being so open and reasonable, how am I supposed to cyberkick you around all over the place?

<sigh>

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