by mP 418 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Why would you say something like this?
Because I don't really think EP thinks Christ owned slaves. I think he simply took issue with me stating that He did not own slaves, and so took the opposite position. Fair enough. I have stated reasons for my position. I am not sure what his are, other than, it does not state so in black and white.
Peace,
tammy
Tec - Jesus never condemned slavery.
Well most of us would not say that Christ owned slaves. We do say he did not condemn slavery. No matter what else you may claim he did, he did not condemn slavery. In fact, he did not condemn anything in the old laws---he may have introduced a new way----but he never once disagreed with the old ways.
I will simply state that the accounts make no mention of Christ as having slaves.
Tec, Jesus used the parable of the faithful and evil steward/servent/slave. This was a reference to the Joseph story in the Torah. Jesus was a Torah Master, among many things, and he recognized that the Joseph/Potiphar story held deep truths and he was expounding upon it. He said that when he left there would be a long stretch of time and that when he returned there would be two types of people, but ALL were slaves. We are all slaves to society no matter how we want to look at it. There are only two types of slaves, the good ones and the bad ones. He gave us characteristics to look for to indentify the good from the bad. It all has to do with their approach to the Gospel of Christ in relation to the timing of the Last Day. He knew that sadly the full picture would not come to fruition for thousands of years. That's why his disciples had to had "shake" the information about the Last Days out of him, because it was in the distant future. It was hard to explain. But in a nutshell there will be people who care for others and those who just beat them. Saying that God doesn't exist is directly related to the timing of his Coming. They say they have waited too long and therefore resort to using fallacious arguments against the people who continue to have faith.
-Sab
Saying that God doesn't exist is directly related to the timing of his Coming. They say they have waited too long and therefore resort to using fallacious arguments against the people who continue to have faith.
Actually, none of my arguments that state there is no evidence for a god are centered on how long it has taken for him to come. Sorry you missed that, and it is a shame that you are going to argue it when no one has actually offered that resistence. In fact, let me be clear. He is not coming.
That's why his disciples had to had "shake" the information about the Last Days out of him, because it was in the distant future.
No he said it would happen within their own lifetime. He was a false prophet.
What reason could anyone possibly have for keeping pigs? They don't give milk, or eggs. Why would anyone raise them? Food. Unless there is some reason I am unaware of. So if you are saying it didn't matter that Jesus would kill the pigs because Jews didn't eat pork---then perhaps it was racist, since others did eat pork.
Well, first Israel is more than just Jews, and from what I've read Samaratins could keep and eat pigs. (also I read something about pig farms for waste disposal, since they will eat anything, so I was just keeping that possibility in mind)
So no, that is not what i am saying at all.
Tec - Jesus never condemned slavery.
His teachings condemn enslaving others. Understand and apply his teachings, and you will know not to enslave another human being.
Peace,
tammy
So Tec why did he never say it? Why did early christians who knew him best continue to keep slaves?
We are all slaves to society no matter how we want to look at it.
We are also all slaves to whatever has mastered us. Be those good things or bad things.
I understand (agree) that the parable was not meant to be taken as permission for people to go ahead and enslave others.
Peace,
tammy
Yes that's fascinating but why did Jesus never say it was wrong for a human to own another human being?
Just think what a difference it might have made.
