Why do people pretend good things about Jesus ? (page 2)

glenster

Like tec wrote, there's much merit in Jesus. Another thing I like is that he
and his followers took their faith from a 'centric law of a land with death
penalties to a better understanding of faith as such--to go among Jews and
Gentiles without giving offense, sacrificing of the self for others, etc.

It's a choice about faith. If you don't like it, it's like asking why someone
likes a song you don't like. They like a song (faith) beyond the math of the
music (the known things) and can't prove to you that you have to feel the same.
Done up nice, it can be a honey and can be a feeling of shared hope.

If it's a choice of interpretation, orthodox/conservative (defense of old text
writer) or liberal/progressive/reform (keep up to speed with the known God is
possible beyond and know people shouldn't harm people for a possibility/arbi-
trarilly), I recommend liberal/progressive reform. Whatever the historic or
linguistic argument of orthodox/conservative regarding the old text writer, if
there is a God, it wouldn't honor God to misinform or harm unneccesarily in His
name. In these ways, my Jesus is good. Like a non-believer, I reject the God
as defined by orthodox/conservative, but I also know there's more than that
interpretation that one believes in and the other rejects.

For a writer about some things about it I like Larry Hutado from the Univer-
sity of Edinburgh.
http://larryhurtado.wordpress.com/
http://www.ed.ac.uk/schools-departments/divinity/staff-profiles/hurtado
http://www.amazon.com/Lord-Jesus-Christ-Devotion-Christianity/dp/0802831672
http://www.amazon.com/How-Earth-Did-Jesus-Become/dp/0802828612/ref=pd_sim_b_1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_W._Hurtado

transhuman68

I guess most people who read the NT a few times start to see that there is no 'real' Jesus. It is a myth, and from a myth you can take & use whatever you want. There are lessons and principles to be found in the story of 'Jesus' life, and people hold onto these in there quest to be better people, or to cope with life's difficulties. But there was no 'real' Jesus who condoned slavery, or was violent- just a composite figure, made up from the literature available at the time.

cofty

People assume Jesus was perfect love for the same reason Mother Theresa has become synonymous with goodness.

Both assumptions are based on myth and legend and intense PR by their followers.

mP

Everyone:

I too believe Jesus was a myth. However there are still some who have answered that fail to see the cruel irony that is the Jesus story.

Tec:

He spoke up for the downtrodden, the 'sinners' (rejected and judged by others), the poor, the weak, the outcasts, the hurting.

mP:

Im sorry the slaves in any society had the worst, harshes life. If anybody in any society needs freedom and some help its them. By completely ignoring them, Jesus failed.

How can you honestly say jesus cared about the week and poor, if he didnt care about slaves to make a statement ? How exactly do you explain that jesus completely and utterly failed to have any pity for slaves ?

How could jesus love the law (of Moses) and claim it would remain forever knowing its laws about institutions such as slavery ? At no stage did he ever cancel or criticise the Torah. Xians claim the 613 laws were replaced, but this was done under Pauls authority, jesus himself did not say anything like that. If he did please give scriptures, the only i have ever heard about abolishing the Torah have come from Paul.

I think you fail to understand that jesus must have thought that slaves got what they deserved for whatever reason. Its the same reasoning that allows the founding fathers to make statements that "all men are created equal" and at the same time keep slaves. We all know that Washington and Jefferson and others all have slaves, the thing is when they made their glorious statements about freedom they didnt see blacks as equals or human. Jesus or the character being portrayed in the Bible did not see anything wrong in the class structure of that society. Slaves were nothing, below him, that was just how it is. This is why jesus didnt care about slaves. After all the bull that plows the field is also a slave, the slave that works, and is raped is just like that bull. Who cares about them right ?

mP

@WTWizard

Your thoughts are very much correct. The jesus story was simply a simple story of the generosity of the Sun, giving us life warmth and more. All the xian churches acknowledge this in their architecture and monuments. Take a look at St Peters Square, and the holidays.

ninja_matty69

Do guys you also believe ceasar was a myth? If jesus was a myth it is a miracle beyond comparison to any bible miracle that a mythical man can have had such a legacy.

I am sure if you quoted all of jesus statements about love, relationships, violence, slavery, work and the like you would have 100 positive statements to every negative. That you focus on the alleged negative ones is a testament to your disposition.

Witness My Fury

I dont think anyone here is claiming a man called Jesus of Nazareth didnt exist, but what we have today as the "record" of his abilities, achievements, life, ministry and teachings have little to substantiate them apart from the writings of his followers.

Where are the secular accounts to back it all up? Is there even a mention of him (not his followers) anywhere apart from the gospel accounts? So the dead rose in Jerusalem upon his death did they? Where is the account of this most memorable event in all human history apart from the gospel accounts? No other mention of a miracle worker other than the gospels? etc etc etc. Can you see a pattern here?

Some interesting points in here I just found as well might be worth a read....

http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/marshall_gauvin/did_jesus_really_live.html

THE GLADIATOR

Re: "Why do people pretend good things about Jesus?"

HOLDING OUT FOR A HERO - LYRICS

Where have all the good men gone And where are all the gods?
Where's the streetwise Hercules to fight the rising odds?
Isn't there a white knight upon a fiery steed?

Late at night I toss
And I turn
And I dream of what I need.
I need a hero. I'm holding out for a hero 'til the end of the night.
He's gotta be strong
And he's gotta be fast
And he's gotta be fresh from the fight.

I need a hero. I'm holding out for a hero 'til the morning light.
He's gotta be sure
And it's gotta be soon
And he's gotta be larger than life!

mP

@ninja_matty69

Have you actually tallied the number of sayings that jesus makes in the NT in total ? Its a lot less than 100, and its very easy to find him failing to be good.

- slavery

- racist

- women

After you remove those victims of his ancient thinking, you realise that he cared for very little. You must also realise he didnt love everybody, he certainly tought very little of all gentiles like all Jews of his day.

tec

mP: Christ did make a statement. By NOT keeping slaves, Himself. For treating everyone as equal (and even Paul stated that there was no male/female or free/slave in God). By teaching his followers to serve one another...not BE served.

If anyone understands the above, they will know not to keep slaves. They might not get it right away... but unlike a rule which is a surface thing: easily ignored and/or forgotten; Christ taught in a way that once learned, it will not be forgotten, because His teaching changed the man you are on the inside. Not just your behavior. Your behavior changes as a natural consequence of how you change on the inside.

As for the law, it was not all from God. He DID state that. When He stated that MOSES had given the people the law about divorce.... as an allowance because the people's hearts were hard. God did not want it to be that way. The people simply would not follow anything better. Applying that lesson... and you can get an understanding of how many things were added to the actual law (of love - as all the laws flow from love for God and neighbor/and the golden rule) because the people could not and would not do any better.

I think you fail to understand that jesus must have thought that slaves got what they deserved for whatever reason.

This is purely your own opinion, with absolutely no backing. All of his deeds and actions show that this is unfounded. You have extrapolated reasoning that is not even based on what is written.

How about you show me a scripture that says He thought they deserved to be slaves? Or that he thought they were the lowest of the low?

Peace,

tammy

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