Why do people pretend good things about Jesus ? (page 4)

tec

Ah... so you don't think he was plaigerizing zoroaster. Cool.

Peace,

tammy

EntirelyPossible

Christ did make a statement. By NOT keeping slaves, Himself.

We have no information that says Jesus didn't have slaves. And, if your argument is "the Bible doesn't say he owned slaves", then using that logic he also didn't have an anus since the Bible never mentions him taking a dump.

For treating everyone as equal

He had no female apostles, all of his leaders were male. Try again.

By teaching his followers to serve one another...not BE served.

Seems like others did all of Jesus cooking, cleaning and fetching for him. He was served an awful lot.

earthfire

One of my problems with it (aside from having so many other prophets that had the exact same story or very close to the same story as Jesus did many years before his time) was that he never wrote anything down himself or even dictated to a scribe. Why would he not have done this? If you are "The" Son then you would know that it would be best to put your own words down rather than others writing things many years later. I always thought that was weird and totally overlooked.

EntirelyPossible

Jesus loved his neighbors so much he killed 2000 of their pigs by allowing a demon HE expelled to enter into the pigs and run off a cliff. Didn't even compensate the man.

Good job, asshole. He could have ordered the Legion into something like ants, but no, why not a man's livestock, his food and livelihood.

Jackass...

mP

Sab:

I don't pretend to know that a man who taught to love your neighbor as yourself was good. You think he advocated violence because he allowed Peter to carry a sword? Your arguments are laughable. Jesus was very good and deserves to be followed even to this day. Are you jealous of the attention he still gets?

-Sab

MP:

Well if a group of men came to visit your house carrying swords, how exactly wold you characterize them ? Lets assume you did not know them at all and had no bias.

Why would i be jealous, it doesnt matter if your famous or rich and dead, im ALIVE now today...they are gone, you cant buy that.

tec

We have no information that says Jesus didn't have slaves.

We have absolutely no information to state that he did have slaves. One would have to insert that into the text AND ignore His teachings about serving one another, rather than being served. We do have descriptions of his disciples getting him food, or finding a place for him to stay, etc. But nothing of any slave do anything for him. To make that statement, you got to back it up with something.

And, if your argument is "the Bible doesn't say he owned slaves", then using that logic he also didn't have an anus since the Bible never mentions him taking a dump.

No... not the same at all. He was human... in the flesh (and that is stated). So eating, drinking, waste, etc... all done the same as any other human.

He had no female apostles, all of his leaders were male. Try again.

His 'leaders' are supposed to be the servants of everyone else, for one.

And he did have many female disciples.

Besides which, different roles does not mean inequality. Was there a woman among those who followed and loved him who even wanted that role in those times?

Seems like others did all of Jesus cooking, cleaning and fetching for him. He was served an awful lot.

But where were all of his slaves to do this work?

Peace,

tammy

tec

was that he never wrote anything down himself or even dictated to a scribe. Why would he not have done this? If you are "The" Son then you would know that it would be best to put your own words down rather than others writing things many years later. I always thought

that was weird and totally overlooked.

a) Because the pen can be added to, mistranslated, and also misunderstood in subsequent copies. Some would hoard those writings and use them for their own ends. Some would seek to destroy them. In essence though, such a writing would become a weapon... as many have used the bible as a weapon to justify all sorts of atrocities that they claim to do in God or Christ's name.

b) Because it is the Spirit who teaches. Even when Christ spoke, his disciples did not understand everything. Very little, in fact, unless He further explained it to them. Imagine how many people who would twist his sayings and even his explanations written down (providing they would even preserve them and not present forgeries)? The spirit leads into all truth. Without the Spirit to counsel, the writings would mean little.

Peace,

tammy

mP

glenster:

Like tec wrote, there's much merit in Jesus. Another thing I like is that he
and his followers took their faith from a 'centric law of a land with death
penalties to a better understanding of faith as such--to go among Jews and
Gentiles without giving offense, sacrificing of the self for others, etc.

mP:

How does following some archaic backward law like the Torah make anybody good ? Surely we all accept that the Torah is flawed, evil and cruel. They may have been faithful, personally i dont think it matter if they beleived in that. Even if you are a perfect follower of the Torah, your still a nasty person. You believe in slavery, racist ideas amongst other unpleasentries to put it mildly.

He himself says he came only for the jews...

http://niv.scripturetext.com/matthew/15.htm

24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

Amazingly he then contradicts himself in Mt 24:15

14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

Its pretty obvious by his own actions that at no stage did he attempt to leave judea or israel and preach to non jews. No sermon on th emount in egypt or syria. Thus we have a problem either he lied in 15:24 or he forgot to preach to other non jews in 24:14.

EntirelyPossible

We have absolutely no information to state that he did have slaves

Or to say that he didn't, so to authoritatively claim he didn't is not telling the truth.

ignore His teachings about serving one another, rather than being served.

Absolutely not. He said slaves SHOULD serve gladly and he had a LOT of people serving him.

To make that statement, you got to back it up with something.

You mean like you saying he DIDN'T own slaves? You have got to back that up with something other than "well it doesn't say he did!"

So eating, drinking, waste, etc... all done the same as any other human.

Owning slaves was a very common, human thing to do. Same point applies. Add in that he frequently talked about slaves and was often served by others, it's not a stretch to conclude that Jesus may well have owned slaves.

His 'leaders' are supposed to be the servants of everyone else, for one.

And none of them were women, despite how much serving they did the men.

And he did have many female disciples.

Of which exactly ZERO rose to a leadership position of apostle, which was my point.

But where were all of his slaves to do this work?

The ones serving him, of course.

tec

Jesus loved his neighbors so much he killed 2000 of their pigs by allowing a demon HE expelled to enter into the pigs and run off a cliff. Didn't even compensate the man.

Actually, His actions saved the one man, and prevented the legion from being able to harm or possess any other person. I suppose He thought the man's life (and the lives of any other who could be possessed) had more then monetary value. *shrugs*

Peace,

tammy

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