His message is one of equality among all people both great and small.
That is how his message is spun today. This is not how his message was spun 100 years ago. And as I said, he changes with the times and cultures. Kind of a catch-all for what people think is good at the time.
Are you trying to impose a standard that you have upon others who may be lesser?
That's your thing Sab. I don't divide people into groups of superieor and inferior---ideas, yes---people, no.
What are you and EP's IQ? Can you give me that because I would like to know. Because I would guess it's VERY high.
I can't answer that for you. The only clue I ever received was that it was the highest in the room at the time. I never knew the numbers, and I don't know how relevant they are anyway. I don't think about it much. And as far as EP---well he's god, so he probably doesn't even register.
Clearly you both have extensive knowledge and understanding about this world.
This has nothing to do with IQ. It is about learning and thinking.
Must you put all the blame on me? Why not just see someone who is in an emotionally vulnerable state in their life and wants to feel understood not commanded to change or leave
Must you put all the blame on others? I tried to explain to you why you should not allow this to get under your skin. You may not like the idea that not only do you have some control over things, but you also instigate things. Frankly, some of the things I've heard you say are way worse than anything I've witnessed were said to you. I am telling you that regardless of all of this, you are responsible for your own actions. No one is tricking you into saying truly mean things to use against you later---you do that yourself. I have never commanded you to change or leave.
You don't see me, NC, you look right through me like a ghost.
Not sure what you are doing here, guy. I respond to you---uhm---I don't believe in ghosts---so I must be giving you the benefit of being human. Exactly what is it you would like for me to do? Agree with you? I don't think you'd want that, would you? You are definitely more emotional than the average bear, but what obligation does that put on me, and does context matter?
Sadly, it just shows that you are my enemy.
There you go again. Sab, you must try to stop lumping everything into extremes. It wears you out. The world is a mess and full of colors. People are not either your friend or enemy. There are shades. There are neutrals. Light ribbing is not the same as full out attack. I just pointed out that you overreact to the smallest stimuli. You really must be exhausted. I am just unable to react to every little thing, put it in a bucket, and label it. Try the benefit of the doubt now and then. If someone is teasing--tease back. You may figure out that their motive is good natured and not sinister. Or you may find out the opposite. Either way, you will know then.,
The worst type of enemy is the one that seeks to be your friend (to help), but still remains your enemy without full knowledge of it themselves. That's called oppression.
No, Dear, that is not what oppression is.
You, and all the atheists, want me to act in a way that I am incapable of acting and have shown that you will take measures to enforce it
You can act any way you like. But if you want to share ideas on an open forum, people will respond to those ideas. If this hurts you, then be more careful what you share. Every single thing I have ever put up here has been attacked! I expect it. I like it. And you should see what has been said to me on the political threads! Shameful. Regardless---I put it out there, then I duck, or laugh, or smirk, or flinch---doesn't matter. I threw my hat in.
When, in the end, I just want to provide a voice for God in a place where I hear little
Very well---but understand I just want to provide a challenge to a comment like that! I MUST. I can't control it. I am weak. And also, I should.
I am ashamed to have taken part in any religious bashing and I repent of those sins, right here, right now.
I'm not ashamed of bashing religious beliefs, and it is unlikely I would ever repent of such. Why are you repenting of something you have not done?
You have asked me to leave this place about 5 times in the course of a few months.
You will have to provide me links where I did such a thing. I do not recall any of that.
I have given this forum a lot and like I said I think I have a place here on JWN.
Of course. I have never said otherwise.
Instead of just asking me to leave certain conversations you call me unstable and show me the door to the whole forum.
It is not a serious sin to point out that taking a thread on sin and using it as a soapbox for your political views---and political bashing---is not appropriate. I never asked you to leave a conversation---but I did express frustration and wish that you would stay on topic. That's not the same. And do you think you are stable? Many times you have actually worried me. And I have never shown you to the door of the entire forum. What I asked was reasonable. On a thread, kind of stay on topic. Those topics will evolve, but sin to politics is not how things evolve. As you bash Obama and Democrats (btw, they are all real people---did you ever consider that?) in a totally off topic way, it is inappropriate. I pointed that out. Go bash Obama and Liberals on the political threads! Have a field day. Everyone ceases to be a real human there!
I will not leave this place until booted, you don't scare me.
LOL. Sab---this world you create astounds me. I have never asked you to leave JWN. I have never tried to scare you. Where do you get such ridiculous ideas? And then you will get mad at me if I point out this is not the most stable stance I have seen. Seriously---DUDE----lighten up. The world is not divided into GOOD and EVIL---it is not W.O.W.! We're all just a bunch of monkeys in shoes trying to make our way and bumping into each other. Now I say this, not to diminish who you are, but as a reality check. You Are Not That Important! Neither am I. You aren't the center of anything. You freely call me arrogant---do you know I chuckle every time? I'm Not That Important! There is a scale to everything. You only see the extreme ends of it. I can discern some of the in betweens. We may never agree on where things stand on that scale, but sometimes things that appear harmless to me, appear like the end of the world to you. Everything is so catastrophic in your world. Seriously, I cannot imagine your exhaustion---and that makes me feel bad for you.
Imagine me on my side of the computer. Do you know that I am smiling most of the time? That when certain insults are lobbed at me, I actually laugh out loud and not in the LOL kind of way? Does that mean I don't point it out? No. Because I have a point to make. That's not to say that there has not been a poster here that honestly insulted me, but that is because I thought this was a friend off the board. That's a bit different. But when a believer gets bothered enough to resort to calling me names, I just don't care as much as you'd think. I kind of expect it now. It was a learning experience for me. I'm still trying to figure it out.
There is another poster here who regularly draws blood on the political threads---and I give it right back. It gets UGLY. But I keep going back and so do they. Other than that, we kind of respect each other (at least I do) on other threads. IT'S JUST NOT THAT BIG A DEAL! There are no suprise attacks here. If you say you have heard the voice of a god, you're gonna get it. You know that. This is why you say it. To give yourself a chance to defend it. We are not that important individually.
Now, as I say with a smile on my face, you have accused me of some things. As I require evidence, because my stand is this accusation is false, please provide links where I asked you to leave the board---or even the conversation. I have asked that you stay closer to topic, and even to start a thread on the topic you want to talk about, but that is not the same as asking you to leave the conversation. Through the magic of internet, you CAN be in more than one place! Just open an extra window.
NC
