Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters

by darth frosty 553 Replies latest members politics

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  Qcmbr

  Maybe this election will be won on personals when it should have been decided on actuals? Romney is an ars* no doubt about it however, does Obama have the ability and power to return the US to stable economic policy? I was horrified to watch his response to the Embassy burning and murders. The US are appeasing those who hate it and they, and the west will pay the price in blood, many times over. I like Obama but the luxury of liking the nice guy v the need for the ruthless one is starting to sway me away from the Obama support.

  Good job I'm British and my thought mean zip :)
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  rather be in hades

  "the lamestream media is bad, fox news and other right wing sources are the ONLY sources of truth!"

  "worldly sources are bad, the watchtower and the governing body is the ONLY source of truth!"
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  NewChapter

  What do you think Obama should have done, Q? Should he have come out with strong language against Islam? Should he have insulted them? What is this 'appeasment' you refer to? How should he have handled this differently?

  Keep in mind, our constitution does not allow our government to favor one religion over another, and we have American Muslims.

  Or should he have been like the illustrious Romney, and come out with a statement criticizing embassy employees, while they were STILL under attack and had just lost a diplomat?
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  rather be in hades

  The US are appeasing those who hate it and they, and the west will pay the price in blood, many times over.

  the situation is a lot more complex that it seems on the surface.

  a lot of these countries have oil which makes the world go round. without it, the entire world grounds to a halt. every mechanical device you use, cars, trucks, planes, trains, subs, even things like electric shavers, electric pencil sharpeners, electric toothbrushes, cd players, video game systems, everything uses oil in some fashion to lubricate moving parts. whether it's in lubricated for life bearings, or it requires frequent oil changes like car engines and transmissions.

  that part of the world unfortunately holds a lot of oil and there's no quick and easy fix for going independent. simply drilling like crazy isn't going to work, we have only x amount of a finite resource and frankly, that's not a long term solution.

  there's also the question of the suez canal controlled by egypt which our military is very dependent on as well as world economies.

  then there's the longterm economic prospects. the us has a lot of work to do as far as fixing diplomatic relations with these countries and the sooner we do, the better. china is making longterm economic investments in africa and the middle east. we need to be as well. those are "emerging markets" so to speak. from a us perspective, we're better off if they buy our stuff and not china's.

  diplomacy isn't easy and it isn't always safe. it's times like this that remind us all how dangerous and hard that work can be. it's not all just shaking hands with the pm of britain in well air conditioned rooms.
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  NewChapter

  Romney says he will kick the can down that road and kind of hope that one day it works itself out.
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  BizzyBee

  I was horrified to watch his response to the Embassy burning and murders.

  Why was that? Both sides had praise for his and Hilary Clinton's remarks.
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  james_woods

  I must kindly warn us that we have drifted OFF TOPIC.
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  Qcmbr

  What would I have liked to have seen Obama do?

  1 - Immediate speech denouncing the riots.

  2 - Summoning of all ambassadors for countries experiencing anti US riots with a warning of the removal of aid and military support, effective immediately unless those responsible were punished, better protection put in place and an immediate political response by said countries to show what they would do to promote pro-US sentiment and stop such blatant and disgusting bahaviour.

  3 - Speech to US public and for world consumption on the paramount importance of freedom of speech but not freedom to riot. That the freedom to say what you want is lost the moment that violence is used. Those who disrespect the US and ignore the immense aid it bestows upon the world, those who treat liberty and freedom as western diseases to be eradicated by religious jihad and mob rule will be henceforth receive immediate and total justice. Citizens of the US and her allies will be defended at all costs. No longer will the US stand idly by while ignorant , hate filled jihadists trample all over the freedom of the civilised world.

  4 - Full scale investment programme designed to make the US totally energy self sufficient. The days when the US was forced to take an interest in the Middle East simply because of oil should cease.

  5 - Change in US policy RE Arab Spring. No further US support for anyone in the region.

  6 - Full and Immediate pull out from Afghanistan, Iraq and middle east areas. Let the taliban take them back to the stone age. No more US blood spilt for romantic idealism. No more aid money wasted.

  7 - Bolster support for Israel as a bulwark against the Islamic states. Return to a full political discourse with the US's real allies (put the bloody bust of Churchill back in the Oval office) start regularly talking of how important the US, Canada, Europe, Australia, Japan etc. are. Open up new trade routes exclusive only to approved states. Start spending overseas aid on allies not enemies. Recognise forcefully those who have earned US respect.

  8 - Those responsible for the original film should receive police protection.

  9 - Full public discussion on what laws should be enacted to constrain religious extremism within the US( the Westbro situation went on far too long and was tolerated far too much - what they did was not freedom of speech but they set out intentionally to attend places of grieving and ferment hatred. - The video made about Mohammed however, was not enforceably played during Ramadan or in any way that decided whether it was consumed or not.) I would like to see Freedom of Speech but also a Freedom from Coercion to hear - i.e. you can print, produce in media, speak in given agreed speach making places, broadcast or apply for a permit to hold a demonstration but you cannot say whatever you want anywhere you want since that infringes upon others rights to not have to hear your opinions.

  These failing states are riddled with religious extremism. They are parasites upon the world leaching away the West's hard won gains. The US has gradually surrendered its internal freedoms, let itself be drawn into one sided unending wars, spent a fortune on bribes and munitions. At some point it has to stop and the realisation has to be reached that Islam and Arabic culture itself is to blame for the retarded societies. If Islam is ever going to win respect in the world it has to start solving problems rather than causing them. If Islamic states wish to help the Palestinians they can do so with food, aid, responsible governance.
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  botchtowersociety

  Why was that? Both sides had praise for his and Hilary Clinton's remarks.

  There weren't any criticisms?

  Edit: Impressive response, QCMBR.
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  King Solomon

  Just to pull out one point that got my attention:

  9 - Full public discussion on what laws should be enacted to constrain religious extremism within the US( the Westbro situation went on far too long and was tolerated far too much - what they did was not freedom of speech but they set out intentionally to attend places of grieving and ferment hatred. -

  Are you aware that Westboro Baptist church files paperwork to conduct their protests well ahead of time, and sits down with local law enforcement to establish when, where, and how long they can hold their protests? In the case of the funeral homes, the home is invited to the meeting, and knows where they will be, how long, etc, and simply tell mourners how to avoid them by taking an alternate route. Westboro protesters are respecting law in order to exercise their free-speech rights, but that fact is often missed in the name of creating inflammatory headlines (which sells newspapers, etc).

  Granted, their message is ridiculous and outrageous, but they DO have the right to express it, as long as no other laws are broken (eg creating a public nuisance, endangering public safety, etc).

  I would like to see Freedom of Speech but also a Freedom from Coercion to hear - i.e. you can print, produce in media, speak in given agreed speach making places, broadcast or apply for a permit to hold a demonstration but you cannot say whatever you want anywhere you want since that infringes upon others rights to not have to hear your opinions.

  The freedom not to hear is implied by control of volume, place, time, etc. That's exactly why protesters are wise to work those details out BEFORE protesting, in order to avoid being arrested for creating a public nuisance.