Please worship our god or he will kill you! (page 7)

Ucantnome

hope. to expect with confidence (Merriam and Webster)

So are you saying you expect with confidence to get God's love

Ucantnome

PSacramento,

Thank you for your posts. I have to go now.

I probably won't be in the mood to discuss it further but I will think about it.

PSacramento

Hope is a virtue:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hope_%28virtue%29

Hope (lat. spes) is one of the three theological virtues in Christian tradition. Hope being a combination of the desire for something and expectation of receiving it, the virtue is hoping for Divine union and so eternal happiness. Like all virtues, it arises from the will, not the passions.

Hope is opposed to the sins of despair and presumption; refraining from them is adhering to the negative precept of hope. The positive precept is required when exercising some duties, as in prayer or penance.

Some forms of Quietism have denied that a human being should desire anything whatsoever to such an extent that they denied that hope was a virtue.

In the Christian tradition, hope in Christ and faith in Christ are closely linked, with hope having a connotation that means the one with hope has a firm assurance, through the witness of the Holy Spirit, that Christ has promised a better world to those who are His. Hope can thus sustain one through trials of faith, human tragedies or difficulties that may otherwise seem overwhelming. Hope is seen as "an anchor of the soul" as referenced in the Epistle to the Hebrews of the New Testament.

Deputy Dog

Ucantnome

If you have no sin and are righteous before God would he end your life?

Adam and Eve never had righteousness, even before they sinned. If they did they wouldn't have sinned.

cofty

In life we are guided by the love of Father and Son, we live in other-centered love, we love because they loved us first and so we love all others because of that love. When Father and Son abive in us through thr HS, we become fully human as God intended and we live to love others and to make our world a better palce, a place where God abides in US and ALL his children.

PSac - So are you asserting that believers are more loving than unbelievers, or that christians are more human, or that atheists don't live to make the world a better place?

Deputy Dog

Cofty

PSac - So are you asserting that believers are more loving than unbelievers, or that christians are more human, or that atheists don't live to make the world a better place?

It's to your credit that you see through the self-righteousness in so many of these posts. But as a nonbeliever how do you see righteousness? Do you believe it even exists? If so do you believe you have it?

cofty

But as a nonbeliever how do you see righteousness?

Its not a word I would ever use. Its pretentious.

If you tell me what you mean by it - and avoid xtian jargon - I will be able to reply.

Deputy Dog

cofty

Its not a word I would ever use. Its pretentious.

I can understand why you would avoid it, which is why I believe you have your own understanding of it and that’s why I was asking about how YOU would define it. You did seem to imply PSac thinks he has it, or did I read too much into your words?

cofty

DD - Putting my old xtian theology hat on - righteousness has nothing to do with the virtuous behaviour or personality of the believer. Righteousness is "counted" to a person of faith. God views him or her as righteous so as to have relationship with them. The righteousness of christ of imputed to them.

"Sanctification" is the process that follows and that ought to see changes in the indvidual.

I think PSac is confusing righteousness and sanctification - or possibly he is describing the stereotypical self-righteousness of modern xtianity.

Putting my skeptical hat back on, I think its just self-argrandising twaddle. Christians are no more virtuous than anybody else - where is the evidence of sanctification?

snare&racket

I love how you guys think you have special knowledge, special interpretation, deeper understanding. The bible is as complex as grimm's fairytales.... Go get your head stuck in an organic chemistry textbook or a caluculus exam if you insist on continuing to declare the bible complex. I think it says more about your efforts and abilities to read it and understand it than anything else.. Go figure out the kreb cycle for yourself, then come back and say "you just dont understand" and "you are missing the point" or the worst excuse for cognitive dissonance ever.."its all about interpretation!"... As you quote the spoken words of Aramaic, translated into hebrew, then greek then latin then english....

The bible is a book a child could understand, IT IS NOT HARD !!! It was written by shepherds and dodgy priests, stealing ideas and stories from campfires. It is a vile, disgusting book with an immoral deity demanding and directing the worst things a human mind can imagine. Thankfully that is the only place he resides and ever will do.

Despite knowing you will all repeat the same empty answers over and over again, i repeat... The bible is not complex, it is not hard to intepret, it is not a mystery to people that dont open their hearts/ask jesus for help etc etc... The version of the bible you are reading has been crafted and put into context by scholars and historians of all beliefs and religions.... They dont use special powers, there are dictionaries and translation tools! Th god of the biblemwas evil, there is no interpretation in turning a woman to salt before her daughters eyes, wiping out humanity but 8 by drowning, destroying a city who did not know the laws of god (not written down and of a different religion) with fire and sulphur. Killing the baby of david and Bathsheba as it was born outside his rules.... Yet he can impregnate virgins at will. What about the genocides, the homophobia, the sex slavery, the kidnap, the rape, the slavery that god commanded? Either you dont know your bible or you dont know yourself, for you are lying to yourself if you deny tnese acts and verses!! Everybody knows them and have seen them..... There is no alternate versionof a god that has prepared a lake of fire for those that do not OBEY and SUBMIT. Imgaine if he was a president or king today, use your head! What makes him any different! Its evil!

Either way, stop claiming "mystery and magic" its not hard to read and understand that shitty book! If you interpret these evil acts any other way, I dont think I want to converse anyway.

Humans are capable of doing and defending evil acts, we all know that for sure, no mystery there. Be honest with yourself about what you truly think and feel about those accounts in the scrolls from the jewish shepherds, not what yo WANT to be true.

Please worship our god or he will kill you!

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