TEC Documentary hypothesis

by mP 302 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  PSacramento

  But it's not equal. Frederick Douglas was prominent, but certainly not equal.

  No, you won't find any explicit comment on women being equal to men, but you do find:

  1 Corinthians 7

  New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)

  Directions concerning Marriage

  7 Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is well for a man not to touch a woman.” 2 But because of cases of sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. 3 The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does; likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.

  A statement of equal responsibilty between husband and wife.
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  Pistoff

  From EP:

  As I said, when you can show where ANY of the claims you have made about me are true, then I will be happy to help you with any questions you are struggling with.

  Well, I have done that, but you don't want to own up to it, so humor me:

  Do you think Jesus approved of rape and the mistreatment of women?

  How about Paul? Did he put women into the same inferior role as the jewish culture of the day?

  Are you afraid to answer the question? Are you confused by the matter?
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  PSacramento

  Psac, I am so sorry for those with a narrow view. I can understand saying the people acted without any true instructions from a God and just used a false claim to steal girls for plunder or wives.

  Wouldn't surprise if that was the case, but it may also be the case that the writers saw what happend and, in their view that Israel was under God, felt that since it happend, it was God's will.

  But to imagine that killing men and women then forcing their female children into marriage meant that the consequent sex was not rape on a technicality- that saddens me.

  I agree, it is hard for us to fathom a forced "relationship", even one that is made legal in some way, to be anything other than disturbing and wrong.

  Even though it was a very common practise in the ANE.

  I don't believe these stories are actual history, but I do believe that actual rape occurred when one people attacked another. I am sure that many of these rapes were followed by marriage claims and/or ceremonies to appease the priests.

  I don't doubt that these WERE real stories and that is what makes them even more disturbing in my view and very hard to reconcile as a beleiver and I freely admit that.
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  EntirelyPossible

  Well, I have done that, but you don't want to own up to it, so humor me:

  Well, you haven't in the least, but it's clear you will say anything, true or not, so there is zero point in talking to you.

  Buh-bye, liar liar pants on fire. I have better things to do than be amused by watching you flail around while trying to insult me with your made up BS.
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  Pistoff

  I like your summary of the bible, Terry.
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  still thinking

  People can find fault where there is no fault, and then others who want to, listen to those liars and slanders. ..tec

  So tec...you keep repeating this. What is your point? Are you saying we are liars and slanderers because we don't agree with your version of reality?
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  jgnat

  Would everyone agree we are imposing modern values on a civilization 2,000 years old?
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  mrsjones5

  Are you saying we are liars and slanderers because we don't agree with your version of reality?
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  cofty

  Would everyone agree we are imposing modern values on a civilization 2,000 years old?

  Are god's ethics not timeless?
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  jgnat

  Why, cofty. I didn't know you cared.