TEC Documentary hypothesis (page 23)

mP

TEC:

Monkey see, monkey do... indeed. If only people would actually understand this. Nothing else is needed. Not looking back at the law... which saved no one... and was not understood by so many, including the scribes who penned it. Not man... who can save no one.

mP:
Actually people did understand Moses law and they pushed the limits where they could. Thats what happens, if you dont plan for that then you shouldnt be in government because your a fool.

Im not doubting there were good people who didnt rape virgins, im just saying the law shouldnt have created teh situation to begin with. The law about rape previously mentioned from the very beginning is pure evil. The sooner you wake up to reality and realise the entire Torah is a fraud the less you have to invent divertions and fanciful stories.

Anyone who fails to condemn that law, or says the law should last forever is evil as well. If they cant see that law for example needs to be changed or improved then that is pure evil as well. Jesus in Mat 5:17 says the law must never change and will last forever. Only a monster would not want ot change this rape law.

tec

I thought i did enough but i will revisit p8 and look at the very first one at the top.

Thanks.

I thought it was implied given that the law of Moses was from God.

Jesus says God is perfect in Mat 5:48 therefore his law must also be perfect.

Lol... now how is it that you can draw implications that do not CLEARLY state what you are saying... but if I do so, I am dishonest, emotional, blind, etc.?

It would not seem that the entire law of moses was given by God. Or else Christ would not have had to correct the law on divorce, or state that this law was given not because it was right, but because of the hard-heartedness of the people. (Matt 19:8)

The people also did not understand that MERCY and LOVE were at the top of the law... which Christ also corrected. (Go and learn what this means, "I desire mercy, not sacrifice." Matt 9:13, and If you had known what these words mean, "I desire mercy, not sacrifice", you would not have condemned the innocent. Matt 12:7)

Then there is also this:

"How can you say we are wise, for we have the law of the LORD, when the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?" Jeremiah 8:8

... combined with Christ also saying "woe to you scribes"

Again you give your emotional commentary and neglect to address why God made a law that made the situation possible

That doesn't make sense, mP.

You do not create a law around something that has never happened. You create a law when something becomes a problem, and you need to a) make sure people know it is wrong, and b) add a deterrent/punishment.

That the punishment is not adequate to our standards does not mean anything. Today's punishment to rape or pedophelia are not adequate either. Not too long ago, they were a joke that made the victim suffer even more.

A fine just adds to the insult of the situation and shows that God thinks poor girls can be bought and sold like commodoties

It shows the thought of the men and of the times more than it does of God. Remember how Moses gave the law on divorce, that was NOT the truth from God. It was an allowance, because the people would do no better. Same with this.

And if you want to know what God thinks... then look to Christ.

Peace,

tammy

tec

im just saying the law shouldnt have created teh situation to begin with

The law dealt with a situation already present. That is what laws do.

Jesus in Mat 5:17 says the law must never change and will last forever.

Once again, He does not say that.

Peace,

tammy

mP

mP: Jesus says God is perfect in Mat 5:48 therefore his law must also be perfect.

TEC: Lol... now how is it that you can draw implications that do not CLEARLY state what you are saying... but if I do so, I am dishonest, emotional, blind, etc.?

MP:
Im sorry Jesus did say God was perfect, and he also acknowledged that the law of Moses was from God. I seriously thoought you didnt need a scripture for that.

I say you are dishonest because you make stuff up and then quote scriptures which dont contain any o f the words or even the thought you are making.

mP

TEC:

How can you say we are wise, for we have the law of the LORD, when the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?" Jeremiah 8:8

... combined with Christ also saying "woe to you scribes"

mP:

And where does this say anything about the Law being replaced by Jesus ? Jeremiah can say whatever he wants we were talking about Jesus.

mP

mP: A fine just adds to the insult of the situation and shows that God thinks poor girls can be bought and sold like commodoties

TEC: It shows the thought of the men and of the times more than it does of God.

mP:

But God made that law. YOu have not denied this is from God. He said it was ok. The fact men took advantage of it makes them evil by our standards but it doesnt change the fact God made it legal and perfectly acceptable.

TEC:

Remember how Moses gave the law on divorce, that was NOT the truth from God.

mP:

And yet Jesus said the law never needs to be changed. So the law is contaminated by fraud and it doesnt need to be changed ? Does that sound smart ? This is the same crap as the pedophile problem in churches, everybody knows who are the pedophiles but nothing changes. In both cases pure evil.

tec

I say you are dishonest because you make stuff up and then quote scriptures which dont contain any o f the words or even the thought you are making.

I have not made anything up. It is all written. If you do not understand what is meant by these verses, then you could look to Christ and ask Him. I can't make you see.

And where does this say anything about the Law being replaced by Jesus ? Jeremiah can say whatever he wants we were talking about Jesus.

It speaks to the law being mishandled to begin with. By the scribes. Whom Christ says of them... woe to you scribes.

One of the reasons we have CHRIST is to teach us the truth. Just like he did, for example, with the law that Moses gave on divorce. Can you not extrapolate from that example, to see how this allowance for the hard-heartedness of the people, could have been applied to other laws?

Peace,

tammy

mP

TEC:

im just saying the law shouldnt have created teh situation to begin with

The law dealt with a situation already present. That is what laws do.

Jesus in Mat 5:17 says the law must never change and will last forever.

Once again, He does not say that.

mP:
Im sorry you are blind it does say that in 17-19.

Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill; 18 for truly I say to ? YOU ? that sooner would heaven and earth pass away than for one smallest letter or one particle of a letter to pass away from the Law by any means and not all things take place. 19 Whoever, therefore, breaks one of these least commandments and teaches mankind to that effect, he will be called ‘least’ in relation to the kingdom of the heavens. As for anyone who does them and teaches them, this one will be called ‘great’ in relation to the kingdom of the heavens.

It says in 17 he didn not come to destroy the law. How is that not a statement that Jesus did not come to replace the law ?

mP

TEC:

It was an allowance, because the people would do no better

mP:

Thats so piss weak. I dont think you would be praising anybody as good, if anyone in your family got raped and they formulated an equivalent law.

Jehovah should be ashamed of himself for ever endorsing such utter evil. Anyone who makes excuses for it is also perpetuating the evil by not condemning those responsible.

Amazingly there are dozens of laws about beards but none about rape. Again talk about priorites,, waht a joke.

tec

But God made that law. YOu have not denied this is from God. He said it was ok. The fact men took advantage of it makes them evil by our standards but it doesnt change the fact God made it legal and perfectly acceptable.

See above commentary regarding scribes, and allowances made for a people who were unwilling to do better. Apply that example to other laws as well.

And yet Jesus said the law never needs to be changed.

You are getting hung up on one verse, that doesn't even actually say what you think it says. And you are disregarding everything else in favor of your interpretation of one verse.

Peace,

tammy

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