How exactly did Jesus fulfill the law NOT the prophecies.

by mP 229 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  mP

  MP: Nobody needs to be saved from American law, or Australian law today.

  DD:

  No one is saying that a person needs to be saved from the law. I'm not sure how you even got that.

  People need to be saved from... sin and death.

  MP:

  If jesus saved us from death he has yet to save a single person, because people have been dying for thousnds of years. You cant claim he has saved anyone because that is simply not true for the moment.

  Your simply pretending he has saved us just like the Muslims pretend that Mohammad has saved them and is taking them to paradise. Neither side has any material proof its just theology.

  That claim is bogus.
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  Larsinger58

  Larsinger

  When I read your verbose post it sounds quite arrogant and confused. You say that if you are of the elect, you are chosen, I presume by God. So a loving God choses who he wants to be in the elite..oops elect, gives them understanding and then gives them more but the others just won't understand because God hasn't allowed them to be. What loving parent would give more to one child and then condemn the other for not having what they gave to the other. It doesn't make sense to me!

  Interesting comment, but this misrepresents what was stated. The Bible says that he who has much will be given more, but he who has nothing, even that will be taken away. So if you want to compare this to a parent and children, note that the situation is already uneven. Note that the children have already displayed their choices.

  You present this as if these children are all innocent and not knowledgeable and that God chooses some over the others. Not so. Imagine these are thus adult children, some who have decided to pursue a course of faith and and belief, and thus have "more" and some who have bucked against reality and the Bible and chosen to doubt and thus have "nothing." So God responds to those individual choices by giving those with faith even more to base their faith on. But for those who have chosen to be "goats" and doubt, he throws stumbling blocks in their way and many other things so that they are blinded to the truth.

  So in the end, the elect are standing in a bright light, but those rejected are in total darkness.

  Thus, as indicated in the Bible, while all start off as being invited into the kingdom and potential grapes, some are harvested and become fine wine and some become the "grapes of wrath" and are cast out! Some are sheep and some are goats. Some are wheat and some are tares. Some are fine fish and some are worthless fish. Some are wise virgins and some foolish, etc.

  JUDGMENT DAY will be a special event. Here, ALL come back to life, including the wicked. This means ALL wll know and understand everything about God and his purpose. This means the wicked will see what the righteous are given and what they are missing out on before their final death. Those coming back on Judgment Day do not die in ignorance, but in "torment" for what they lost.
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  THE GLADIATOR

  lovecoogee Please be careful how you talk to Jesus Larsinger.

  If you upset his father there will be Hell to pay!
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  mP

  The basic question in the OP has already been answered, and by more than one poster.

  APOG:

  It's true, I've already given up because I can't think of any other ways to say the same thing. I wouldn't necessarily callmP a hater; he's just making no effort to understand what people are saying to him.

  MP:

  Over half the answers are completely wrong. How exactly is Jeremiah telling me there are bad people in anyway directly connected to jesus and prophecy ? There is no prophecy in that, its an observation. It doesnt mention jesus or messiah or anyting remotely i dentifiable with any of the concepts we are discussing.

  I asked for scriptures and almost none from Moses and laws have been forthcoming, simply because its impossible forfill a law.

  Laws tell you what not to do or what you can do. THey apply to everyone. There is no law written by Moses that only jesus could have fulfilled. Theres no law that says the messiah will cure the sick and be raised from the dead. Not a single item points to an event that we can identify in the NT.
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  mP

  DeputyDog:

  And yes Paul makes it clear that braking american law, state, local what ever, is sin, needing to be covered by Christ's blood.

  Rom 13:1

  MP:

  That may be true, and is immaterial to the focus of the question.

  I didnt ask if you or me or anybody has sinned.

  I asked did HOW did Jesus fulfill the law of Moses. You are addressing points that were never asked. Where is the sentence in Moses writing that only Jesus fulfilled. What monumental act did Jesus do or reveal that was dictated by Moses in the law that nobody else could have. Im talking the laws , not other historical commentary. This means most of Genesis is of course out as its not law but "hstory".
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  THE GLADIATOR

  mP I understand your frustration. Jeremiah and all the prophets and all the king’s men can never put Jesus together again. Remember the scripture that states that he is coming on a cloud and every eye will see him? Well not the eyes of those to whom this promise was made 2000 years ago, as they are all dead now. Which lucky generation will live to see this event, is anyone’s quess. The get-out clause is that they will see with their 'spiritual eyes.'

  Alas the Bible story is nothing more than hopelessly flawed mythology, speculation and wishful thinking. That which is bent cannot be made straight.
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  mP

  GLAD:
  Those that respond dont realise they are telling me theology not facts from the BIble. Over half their sayings dont even come from the BIble. They need to interpret and change words, nothing is ever verbatim. THey quote Paul who supposedly quotes the OT and yet those words never appear.
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  THE GLADIATOR

  Yes mP, I see what's going on.

  Your simply pretending he has saved us just like the Muslims pretend that Mohammad has saved them and is taking them to paradise.

  This is what all religious beliefs involve. Being the world of the unseen, anyone that can't see IT is spiritually blind or has not asked in the right way. Or is perhaps too attached to sin and fleshy things to want to wake up!
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  Deputy Dog

  mP

  This means most of Genesis is of course out as its not law but "hstory".

  This sentence confirms what I said before. You don't know what you are talking about. You don't like and/or want the answer.

  Edited to add for anyone interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Moses

  mP wants to know how Jesus fulfilled the Law of Moses and refuses to include the law of moses as the law of moses
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  Larsinger58

  No matter what, since "interpretation belongs to God" and he is real and true, those prophecies are being fulfilled as he understands them, not as we might misunderstand them.