How exactly did Jesus fulfill the law NOT the prophecies.

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THE GLADIATOR

Larsinger58 "No matter what, since "interpretation belongs to God" and he is real and true, those prophecies are being fulfilled as he understands them, not as we might misunderstand them."
Why would a loving god send his son to earth to be tortured to death for making prophecies that up set the Romans, knowing that interpretation of prophecy belongs to God? This being the case, mortal man has not the slightest chance of understanding what these prophesies are about.
Who is God doing this for? Mankind or is it just a game to amuse himself, with nothing to do except roll around in heaven all day?
myelaine

dear Phizzy...
you said: "Interesting, and revealing, that Paul had no moral compass without rules and regulations spelling out to him what is right and wrong."...
I wonder why you think this. It is argued that most people Do have a moral compass, isn't it? Yes, it is. The fact is that accepting Jesus as your personal saviour isn't about suddenly aquiring a moral compass. It isn't this way for me or you or anyone. It isn't about OUR morals. It is about perfect holiness...Jesus magnified the law...He was perfectly HOLY before God the Father.
God is completely holy and it is written that people need to be holy in order to enter in before Him or into His presense in heaven. In the garden A&E were able to walk with God because until they actually DID sin by being disobedient they walked in holiness...all God ever desired of His human creation. After the fall from holiness before God, there was the expulsion from His direct presense for all the offspring. None walked in perfect holiness.
Jesus fulfilled the law in that He alone, unlike the first Adam, was able to and did walk in perfect holiness before God. The law was man's way of interpreting from God to man WHAT perfect holiness is. Even though it is flawed in that it does prescribe what outward holiness was to "look" like it may not reflect what the inward moral compass actually did. Remember that unless someone actually disclosed that their child was not obeying the law there was no consequence to dis-obeying it. Sure we can look back now and say this was the law...how barberac...and we can site the pharisees as an example that the law was followed (they wanted to stone the adultress)...but the pharisees were an extreme example of obeying the law without mercy. Jesus even said that they would obey the law to the letter but they would forget mercy...He said this to the law keepers, not to everyone congregated.
We are seperated from God because of our personal sin and because of His wrath against sin...God is opposed to sin and we are sinners. The gospel states that while we were still sinners the Father sent His Son to pay the penalty for those sins...not counting those sins against us but against His Son in our stead. Jesus "owned" the required perfection in order to "stand" before Him...only Jesus can stand before Him in righteousness. Anyone who doesn't count this as a gift of love from a God who wants to redeem is said to be without God and without hope in the world and death and the wrath of God against sin is still held against them. 2 corinthians 5:11-12
Jesus was the perfect man who walked in holiness before God without blemish inside AND out. That is how He fulfilled God's law and man's interpretation of HOW God wanted His creation to walk before Him. No one can stand before the holy God without the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ...(even if they treat His brothers well Tammy because that makes it about YOUR OWN righteousness)...God does not change.
love michelle
mP

Este:
Jesus Christ fulfills the law meaning he will effectuate the Law of The Almighty God.......
Estephan
MP:
As stated in the original q by me, the law mentioned by Jesus and Paul refers undisputably to the Mosaic Law. The Mosaic Law does not mention the need for a perfect man to be sacrificed to pay for sin. The law of Moses is made of 613 laws, the Rabbis have compiled a grand list which you can read on wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_mitzvot
You will its mostly concerned with religious ceremony(priests do this and that, holidays etc), laws of society( you must not murder ) and customs( men must not shave, marry non jews etc).
Your statement is not found in these laws, they are an invention by Christians to explain or give weight to Jesus death. I would humbly suggest rather than repeating your theology you actually check what the words men and check the laws of God that they were talking about. You can fulfill prophecy, you cant fulfill laws like you cant murder, you must not work on the Sabbath and so on.
Go thru the 613, and tell me which prophecy about Jesus. None did thats why Judaism failed to recognise Jesus as a Messiah because their prophets like Isaiah do hope. Moses did not write anything about waiting for a saving Messiah.
If i am wrong please give scriptures and quote them here. Goodluck. Then again if this was a major theme in of the Bible then it shoould be easy to find many or even one that said, My son will come down and die for your sins etc, nothing remotely like that is found in the OT. Absolutely nothing.
mP

Soon:
The rest is mP trying to wriggle out with non sequiturs, red herrings, strawmen, bad attempts at sophistry, and semantic games. He even interprets a different view as a personal "attack." That's a hater's attitude. Shake your feet and move on, folks. Life's too short.
MP:
Your line contains so many detractions its sad. I never even mentioned hate or anything negative in that vain or personal. All i asked was for an honest analysis of Moses or Gods law. You cant talk about Moses law without quoting it something you and others have failed to do. Now you have elevated the quality of your commentary by mentioning hate many times against me.
I am not playing semantic games, im not hte one who makes a statement and then cant find a single line in Moses to back it up.
mP
DD
mP
This means most of Genesis is of course out as its not law but "hstory".
DD:
This sentence confirms what I said before. You don't know what you are talking about. You don't like and/or want the answer.
Edited to add for anyone interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Moses
mP wants to know how Jesus fulfilled the Law of Moses and refuses to include the law of moses as the law of moses
MP->DD
Genesis does not contain a single law that appears in the Mitzvot. Go check the Rabbi list yourself. Only 3 "laws" appear in Genesis the rest is basicallly history. My statement is correct the list backs this up.
I have backed many of my statements with links and scriptures, you once again make a statement which is *WRONG* and you expect everyone to take your opinion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_mitzvot
1. Maimonides' list sorted by occurrence in the Torah
2. Gen. 1:28 — To have children with one's wife
3. Gen. 17:10 — To circumcise all males on the eighth day after their birth
4. Gen. 32:33 — Not to eat the sinew of the thigh
5. Ex. 12:2 — Courts must calculate to determine when a new month begins
Now that the list below confirms this, would you like to apologize ? Did you even check Gensis or the list below before opening your big mouth ?
Next your going to tell me you know more about the Torah than Maimonides, and his list is wrong, but i seriously doubt you have ever heard of him,nor do you have the humility to actually read about him on wiki as a start.
- Did you ever read the 613 list ?
- If not why not, where i s your Messiah there ?
- Or are you just throwing statements back at me.?
- Can you actually quote a single scripture from Moses to back your claims ?
mP

myelaine
Read my previous post, and actually instead of writing from memory try and prove any of what you say from Moses writings. That is quote scripture and line it here for
If Jesus fulfilled the law go thru Moses law and find the laws he fulfilled.
Dont quote Paul or somebody else, go straight to the source, the law in its written raw and glorious form.
myelaine

dear mP...
the entire law code is man's interpretation of what was to be "done" in order to stand before a holy God. Jesus came and fulfilled God's interpretation of what is to be "done" in order to stand before a holy God. Thus fulfilling God's law. Jesus came to do the will of His Father in heaven NOT the will of the priests who interpreted the law. He took the strict observance of the ceramonial "law" requirements for personal sin (ie. the passover lamb) and tempered it with the mercy that ought to be shown towards those who don't observe the strict "moral" code envisioned in the law of moses. matthew 23:23
love michelle
mP

@myelaine
The entire law code is man's interpretation of what was to be "done" in order to stand before a holy God. Jesus came and fulfilled God's interpretation of what is to be "done" in order to stand before a holy God. Thus fulfilling God's law . Jesus came to do the will of His Father in heaven NOT the will of the priests who interpreted the law.
MP:
You havent given me a single quote from the Bible. Can you not see that without a quote this is not from the BIble. The word "law" as it appears in the BIble refers to the Torah the law written by Moses. Its not some spiritual unwritten text, the list is there and compiled for us to read. I have given you the link. If you want it to be some thing else then yuo dont need the Bible, you are basically making stuff up.
YOu are repeating what has evolved over 2000 years of christianity. YOu would be surprised that other christian religions say other things because everyone is doing the same, they are each making up their own stories, without actually quoting the bible.
I really wonder how you can say "law" when you know "law" means Moses law and yet never quote it.
myelaine

dear mP...
the law and the prophets ANTICIPATED...1 peter 1:11...the prophets of GOD spoke but didn't know exactly how everything was to "unfold" yet you require a single scripture
at the risk of being a bore...mark 1:11
love michelle
mP

dear mP...
the law and the prophets ANTICIPATED...1 peter 1:11...the prophets of GOD spoke but didn't know exactly how everything was to "unfold" yet you require a single scripture
at the risk of being a bore...mark 1:11
love michelle
MP:
You didnt quote Moses, your quoting Peter and Mark giving commentary about Moses writing but you havent shown a single text written BY MOSES.
If Moses is the source of the law, then you must quote Moses not somebody else giving a commentary.
This surely should be a simple task ? Why cant you find the scripture that backs your Christian point of view ?
Christians say that Jesus fullfilled the law of Moses but you cant actually find Moses writing anything remotely supporting your view.

How exactly did Jesus fulfill the law NOT the prophecies.

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