AAWA, J M____ E______, and me

by zed is dead 577 Replies latest members private

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat
    I don’t think it’s that simple. I can’t hit a button and add you to anything. If I can, please let me know where is this button. I’d like to know where it’s at.
    Something or things had to precede Julia “hitting a button”. This is what my question is seeking.

    Marvin I think this comment you made way back on page 8 pretty much sums up your whole contribution to this thread: you just don't know what you are talking about. Julia and others did simply hit buttons and added people to the AAWA facebook page without their consent. That is exactly how it happened. Your incredulity is not the profound put down you seem to imgaine, it is simply a mark of ignorance about the suject. If you don't know how Facebook works, and you don't care to read the threads where people explain what happened to them that's your problem not theirs.

    You ask besty for proof as if it is preposterous you should be asked to "just believe" what he says about Julia adding 260 odd people. But the fact is that he is a member of the Facebook group, he has access to the information, others have confirmed that Julia and others added them, and when AAWA organisers objected to besty's comment they did not dispute the fact, but merely that he should not have posted it. All of which adds up to pretty substantial "proof" that what he is saying is true to any reasonable person.

    Plus you have about seven or so longstanding board members reporting the same thing: rebel8, dagney, nicolou, fizzy, and the one who started the long thread about being excluded from a wedding and a couple of others I forget. These are all credible longstanding forum members with no discernable reason to lie. Their reports are independent, they corroborate one another, and there is no apparent motive for them to lie about what happened. Again this should be pretty strong evidence to any reasonable person that what they say is true.

    You throw about works like evidence and proof but you show little understanding of what they really mean.

  • Marvin Shilmer
    Marvin Shilmer

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    “...As far as I'm concerned, and I'm sure many people reading this,,, both Dagney and Rebel8 are long-time members of this forum, and their word was NEVER questioned.”

    talesin,

    I have questioned the honesty of neither Dagney nor Rebel8. That you think otherwise is telling.

    It is not questioning honesty to ask for evidence of claims, or at least sufficient details to somehow measure veracity of claims. With your credentials and experience you should know this, and embrace it. Thankfully fizzywidget was kind enough to give sufficient detail, and did so without need of ad hominem.

    Longevity is an indicator of longevity. I’m also a long-time member of this forum. Does that make my view of things correct despite counter views?

    Because I’ve never expected anyone to take my word for anything is precisely why I’ve never used by word to prove anything, that is in my work as Marvin Shilmer.

    Marvin Shilmer

  • wha happened?
    wha happened?

    Slim, it looks like everyone has given Marvin some room that he doesn't understand the issues. But he does. But playing dumb is way better defense because it's exhausting to argue against.

  • zed is dead
    zed is dead

    The first rule of holes:

    When you are in a hole, stop digging.

    zed

  • mrsjones5
    mrsjones5

    I'm not sure how one would prove that they were unknowingly added to a FB group. I was but as far as I know there isn't a history I can go to for a screen shot to prove when it actually happened (maybe there is a history and I just haven't found it). All I have at this moment is my word that someone (I have no idea who) added me to the AAWA FB fan page without my prior knowledge or permission. And I do believe it also happened to others whose situations are more delicate than my own.

  • zed is dead
    zed is dead

    wha and SBF,

    Marvin is stupid and damned proud of it!

    "I want evidence; oh that's right, you gave it to me numerous times. I refuse to read it, as I would much rather wank on this thread."

    His intellectual impotence is as amazing as the "amazing organization" AAWA!

    zed

  • zed is dead
    zed is dead

    As for evidence, why doesn't Marvin tell us WHO he is getting HIS AAWA information from? I want proof!

    zed

  • Marvin Shilmer
    Marvin Shilmer

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    “You ask besty for proof as if it is preposterous you should be asked to "just believe" what he says about Julia adding 260 odd people.”

    slimboyfat,

    That remark demonstrates a sort of imprecision plaguing this discussion.

    - I didn’t ask for evidence that Julia added 260 odd people.

    - I asked for evidence that Julia added 260 odd people “without their consent”.

    Big, big difference.

    It’s understandable that Besty could see how many people Julia added. But how he knows these 260 people were added “without their consent” is the thing in need of proof. Honestly, I have yet to see the extent of this particular assertion evidenced by anything more than a claim.

    “…AAWA organisers objected to besty's comment they did not dispute the fact…”

    Until an accusation is evidence there is every reason to object and no reason to dispute, unless you just want to.

    “Plus you have about seven or so longstanding board members reporting the same thing: rebel8, dagney, nicolou, fizzy, and the one who started the long thread about being excluded from a wedding and a couple of others I forget. These are all credible longstanding forum members with no discernable reason to lie. Their reports are independent, they corroborate one another, and there is no apparent motive for them to lie about what happened. Again this should be pretty strong evidence to any reasonable person that what they say is true.”

    In an earlier post I shared that AAWA responded to me about the incident provided me by fizzywidget, which also involved Rebel8 and Dagney. In concise terms I was told there is no reason to disbelieve the account. Based on this I have very solid reason to think others probably experienced something similar, if not the same thing.

    Marvin Shilmer

  • zed is dead
    zed is dead

    Marvy,

    Total obfuscation!

    zed

  • betterdaze
    betterdaze

    He's just trying to kill the threads. That's what the WT does. They exhaust you so you throw your hands up in the air and move on.



    Don't worry, the ever-helpful Tylinbrando will be back soon to take over the next phoney-ass astroturfing shift.

    "Astroturfing refers to political, advertising, or public relations campaigns that are designed to mask the sponsors of the message to give the appearance of coming from a disinterested, grassroots participant. Astroturfing is intended to give the statements the credibility of an independent entity by withholding information about the source's financial connection. The term is a derivation of AstroTurf, a brand of synthetic carpeting designed to look like natural grass.

    Astroturfers use software to mask their identity. Sometimes one individual operates over many personas to give the impression of widespread support for their client's agenda. Some studies suggest astroturfing can alter public viewpoints and create enough doubt to inhibit action.

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