How do believers defend a god who is going to murder billions and pin it on them? (page 19)

tec

Are you kidding me:

No, i am not. God said to listen to His Son. Christ said, 'you search the scriptures because you think that by them you have eternal life, but these are the scriptures that point to ME, and you refuse to come to ME to have life" As I stated:

The bible is not one book: it is many books, and not all scripture (inspired).

I do agree with what Paul wrote... all scripture is inspired (though Paul never states to listen to that over Christ, the Truth - I mean, he himself had the scriptures and he STILL persecuted Christ through persecuting those who belong to Christ, revealing the truth in christ's words of how some search the scriptures but do not SEE them, or they would come to HIM; Paul simply states that scripture is useful in teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness. But Paul had to listen and learn from Christ). However, not all that is written is scripture. Scripture is, as Paul said, "God-breathed". Inspired. (in the spirit, from the spirit) Like the book of Revelation. But Paul could not have been referring to the whole bible, as the whole bible did not exist at that time. Nor is it all scripture, given by God, in the spirit (like Revelation). Some is simply a recording of things that happened; history and such. Like the book of Luke. Peace, tammy

caliber

Before that, I explained that I don't THINK or FEEL any emotion

for God

, since I don't BELIEVE in God(s). Did you forget: I'm an ATHEIST?

I ask what are your emotions about the concept of God were.. not for God.... I still beleive there are strong emotions there or you wouldn't be so passionate about putting forth your views so extensively

I "feel" about Jehovah like the average JW thinks and feels about a deity they've never heard of, and don't believe in, eg Kami-no-Kaze. How do you "feel" about the Japanese Shintoist's member of the Pantheon, the "god of the wind"?

I feel and think about Jehovah as you likely feel and think about Kami-no-Kaze, or any of the other MILLIONS of Gods that men have created as a product of their imaginations, and handed down as a cultural tradition.

Adam

Why are you making me guess and maybe misreading you ? Why do you appear fearful ( my assumption so far ) to say what that emotion is ?

I "feel" about Jehovah like the average JW thinks and feels about a deity they've never heard of

I am highly doubtful that your feelings would match someone who has never heard of Jehovah... you speak with too much conviction & passion for this to be so .....in my opinion

you likely feel and think about Kami-no-Kaze,

I beleive I can speak of indifference towards this God... having had to history or knowledge about him or her

How can indifference be your strongest emotion if you were once a JW yet have what appears to be very strong views?

A desire to speak out so frankly and emphatically surely indicates emotional connection to the said subject

Do you feel that to have emotions about a subject a weakness ?

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MadGiant

"No, i am not. God said to listen to His Son. Christ said, 'you search the scriptures because you think that by them you have eternal life, but these are the scriptures that point to ME, and you refuse to come to ME to have life"

When you wrote "ME", are you referring to "yeshua"? If so, when I read something ridiculous in the book, like when Jesus foretell what would happen to the stars in space, “And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind” (Revelation 6:13). Or some verses like Mark 5 1-20, Luke 4:31-37, Acts 16, that today are clearly cases of mental illness. These verses are not inspired. But verses like this are inspired?: Psalm 34:17-20 ESV When the righteous cry for help, the Lord hears and delivers them out of all their troubles. The Lord is near to the brokenhearted and saves the crushed in spirit. Many are the afflictions of the righteous, but the Lord delivers him out of them all. He keeps all his bones; not one of them is broken. Matthew 4:24 ESV So his fame spread throughout all Syria, and they brought him all the sick, those afflicted with various diseases and pains, those oppressed by demons, epileptics, and paralytics, and he healed them. How do I pick one from the other? Do you have a personal inside that non of us have? "Scripture is, as Paul said, "God-breathed". Inspired. (in the spirit, from the spirit) Like the book of Revelation. But Paul could not have been referring to the whole bible, as the whole bible did not exist at that time. Nor is it all scripture, given by God, in the spirit (like Revelation). Some is simply a recording of things that happened; history and such. Like the book of Luke." Now you are just making things up as we go along. If something I have learn from this place is that you have to back up your words with the bible. Where are the scriptures to back up your last statement? Ismael

adamah

Caliber said-

I ask what are your emotions about the concept of God were.. not for God.... I still beleive there are strong emotions there or you wouldn't be so passionate about putting forth your views so extensively

Caliber, read my last response VERY CAREFULLY, as I already answered your question, and stated it in a clear unambiguous manner. I even added your phrase "dominant emotion" (which is actually spelled "dominant", not "dominate") just to make it easier for you to locate. Guess that's not enough direction?

However, since I have mercy on your miserable soul (!), I'll give you ONE MORE hint: the dominant emotion I experience for those who propagate a belief in God is an eight-letter word that starts with a 'C'.

Now, go back and see if you can't find what the dominant emotion I offered in my first response was (earlier this morning in post 578)!

(HINT: it's "CONTEMPT")

Oh, on this:

Why are you making me guess and maybe misreading you?

Hey, don't try to blame me for your poor reading comprehension: I answered your question, then pointed to it again, and am now even giving you additional hints a third time. I'm even giving the answer to you: question remains, will you finally GET IT?

And perhaps the question believers should be asking is, why does God makes you guess on His meaning (at the risk of misreading Him) by speaking in allegories, parables, coded messages, riddles, etc on slightly-more-important issues like, I dunno, what His Divine Will for humans actually is? Last I checked, the hallmark of a good leader is their ability to effectively communicate their plans in terms that make them EASIER for the population to understand, NOT to require translation and interpretation by spiritual advisors who have to spend their ENTIRE LIVES studying ancient Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, and arguing over the originally-intended meaning of concepts?

Adam

MrFreeze

How do you guess which books/chapters/verses of the Bible are inspired and which ones aren't?

latinthunder

How do you guess which books/chapters/verses of the Bible are inspired and which ones aren't?

In 2 Tim 3:16 Paul was giving us the specifications for true scripture. If a certain grouping of texts prove NOT to be useful in " teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousnes " then they're not "God-breathed." God is the source of competency, therefore His works will be fully competent.

MrFreeze

So who defines what is for teaching?

You can use any of the OT to teach... namely to not piss god off.

cofty

LatinThunder - Are you one of RoseMary's BK cult buddies?

latinthunder

So who defines what is for teaching?

The people who use it. For example if someone writes a physics textbook, the people who use it will determine whether or not it's a competent work. Scripture, as per 2 Tim 3:16, are "textbooks" dealing with righteousness. Likewise, the people who use scripture (test it) can determine it's general competency. If it works for the purposes of training in righteousness, then it's "God-breathed."

LatinThunder - Are you one of RoseMary's BK cult buddies?

Don't know what you're talking about.

MrFreeze

But who determines which scriptures lend to teachings that are righteous? It is all in the eye of the beholder.

Of course, I'm sure you've got it all figured out.

How do believers defend a god who is going to murder billions and pin it on them?

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