Do I beleive in GOD?

by 70wksfyrs 173 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  adamah

  SBF said-

  Well before the 1950s who actually saw the earth as round apart from God? You have faith in God and you don't even know it!

  One more reason to NOT go to meetings: the nonsense you hear repeated from the platform (as if JW urban legends) are utter BS.

  SBF, there are certain places on Earth where men are able to visibly discern the curvature of the Earth with their unaided vision from it's surface. These areas are NOT in the Ancient Near East (mostly flat desert areas), or else the Bible may have not been written assuming a flat Earth.

  In fact that's a serious point. Anyone who gives up belief in God but still believes in truth is fooling themself, for without God there is no measure by which truth is to be defined. The two go hand in hand.

  Yeah, that's an old canard that proves you simply don't want to hear what you don't want to hear, since it's been debunked countless times before. You're simply trolling now.

  Adam
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  tec

  I asked here once if the world would still look like a sphere to a fourth or fifth or sixth dimensional creature (if such existed)... which is how I understood SBF the first time this came up. Though I think someone (Bohm perhaps) answered me that math would state that yes, it would still be a sphere.

  But I am curious if it would look like something else and then need to be called something else.

  However, truth is truth regardless of our perspective of truth. Our perspectives change as we learn, grow, forget, discover new things, etc. But reality remains. (though some might argue otherwise) Though we may not grasp it as it truly is at any given period or pov.

  Peace,

  tammy
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  slimboyfat

  Detecting the curvature of the earth is hardly the same as "seeing" it round. People conceptualised the earth as round long before the 1950s of course, but never actually saw it as such with their own eyes before then, when men got into space and saw it as God sees it.
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  jgnat

  What a two dimensional universe might look like: Discussing Dimensions.
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  adamah

  SBF said-

  Detecting the curvature of the earth is hardly the same as "seeing" it round.

  First off, make sure to use the proper terms: round/circle refer to 2D. Globe/spherical refer to 3D.

  Detecting curvature implies a globe shape: it's exactly the kind of inference which can easily be drawn from visually detecting curvature, combined with stereopsis cues (3D).

  People conceptualised the earth as round long before the 1950s of course, but never actually saw it as such with their own eyes before then, when men got into space and saw it as God sees it.

  Hmmm, and how do YOU know what God's perspective is? Are you Godlike?

  Even there, God's supposed "perspective" has changed in the minds of men, eg Ancient Hebrew cosmology conceived of Heaven being located above the firmament, but nevertheless visible (and apparently encroachable by men; that's why the Tower of Babel presented a threat to God: the men were planning on invade Heaven).

  When space exploration later disproved the existence of a solid metallic half-dome covering the Earth (!), 'Heaven' became a distant nebulous home of God that is located just outside of the range of the most-powerful telescopes, or even invisible, "being all around us".

  That's theology's contribution to the knowledge of man.....

  Adam
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  slimboyfat

  Excellent, why should Man be the measure of everything?

  Human perception is taken for granted, but like everything else it is just one perspective.
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  slimboyfat

  God is thought to be in the heavens. That's why that perspective on the earth is prioritised above others.
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  adamah

  SBF said-

  Excellent, why should Man be the measure of everything?

  What else have you got to offer? The perspective of Martians?

  We ARE the dominant species on the Planet, like it or not, for better or for worse (and I fear it's for worse).

  Why all the worry about God's perspective, when He doesn't exist? God is free to make himself known at anytime: it's not like Cofty and I are preventing God from making himself known....

  Human perception is taken for granted, but like everything else it is just one perspective.

  Why not show an even GREATER concern about lifeforms that DO exist on the Planet Earth, eg

  

  Ironically, most believers show relatively little concern about the perspective of animals, although the same issues that contribute to global climate change ALSO contribute to acidification of the oceans, which directly is threatening many ocean-dwelling life-forms with extinction.

  The irony is, spend too much time praying to a non-existent God begging for a solution and doing nothing about the real problem(s) that has resulted in MANY extinct animal species, and we're going to LOSE many lifeforms and perspectives that actually DO exist.

  Adam
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  tec

  That was an interesting little video, jgnat.

  Peace,

  tammy
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  slimboyfat

  I am practically posting in my sleep here.

  So man is in the place of God? Well done women.