by Simon 1524 Replies latest members adult
It was not a real suggestion, it was to focus peoples thinking by an illustration.
There is overwhelming evidence that the person criticising Islam would be at far greater risk. Therefore, logically, Islam is more dangerous / not as peaceful as many other religions.
Why is it so difficult for some people to grasp the difference between attacking a bad idea insulting individuals?
One is a virtue, the other is usually not admirable.
Atacking and insulting peoples ideas is not a virtue in my opinion, it's just plain rude I think. Alternatively showing a genuine interest in a persons ideas and trying to find out where they come from can lead to a more productive insight and outcome.
Kate xx
Simon i agree with you that critizising Islam is a greater risk.
But back to the O.P- Islam is a disease.
Yes i agree there are aspects we must never give in to, but " tolerance" and " coexistence" i believe is a very real possibility.
Having said that Islam is an ideology not a religion that wants to rule the world.
Each country must protect its freedom, identity and democracy. Resistence against Islamization is a patriotic duty. The National Flag above the bible/ koran.
It's that possible? The future will tell.
Simon - excellent post (15921).
Being a real liberal is about challenging all illiberalism, even if it comes from 'minorities'.
Atacking and insulting peoples ideas is not a virtue in my opinion, it's just plain rude I think. Alternatively showing a genuine interest in a persons ideas and trying to find out where they come from can lead to a more productive insight and outcome.
"Dear Hitler, tell me more about your ideas for the jews so that we can learn from each other ..."
Your approachs assumes that everyone else is as rational as we are. While that works for normal society in the west it can be a dangerous assumption to make at certain points in history or with certain groups that have a completely different set of values and motivations.
I believe in peace and talks when possible but some ideologies are completely committed to the destruction of any that won't join them and want to commit attrocities along the way and there comes a time when peace needs to be enforced.
Having said that Islam is an ideology not a religion that wants to rule the world.
Yes, the reformation needs to separate the two and make it into a religion only, not pseudo-religious-facism with political aims.
Each country must protect its freedom, identity and democracy. Resistence against Islamization is a patriotic duty. The National Flag above the bible/ koran.
I think freedom and human rights are the most important things. Identity and democracy are just mechanisms that typically help achieve those.
It's that possible? The future will tell.
We can only hope.
My fear is that current islam extremism is not going to disappear without a 'jolt' to shock people into change. Japan was transformed from a rather cruel, brutal culture into a very peaceful one today but it took atom bombs and a world war. Germany changed but again, it took dreadful measures (firebombing). Other cultures have had more relatively peaceful revolutions and changed (e.g. communist russia, east germany). Even closer to home, the US and UK used to take part in slavery and all kinds of abhorant practices.
So yes, it's definitely possible. What we need is to promote good ideas and destroy the bad ones.
Sadly, it seems we can't even be critical of bad ideas yet as they are enshrined within islam and too many treat it as unquestionable.
What me and my family have suffered at the hands of JWs is worse than some Muslim women in Western countries
The fact that you are alive and free to post your opinions suggests that it is not worse. Some are dead for the 'crime' of being raped. Some are sold into sexual slavery.
I don't know your story but I pity you if you believe you have suffered worse from the WatchTower than some muslim women have.
"Dear Hitler, tell me more about your ideas for the jews so that we can learn from each other ..."-Simon
As a Jew growing up I always knew I was alive because my mother escaped the concentration camps in Poland. I never felt hatred for Hitler, I was always intrigued why he did what he did and why he was so anti-Semetic.
There are a few things I figured out about Hitler, but I won't derail the topic. No Muslim State Politician is as powerful or as bad as Hitler. Israel is surrounded by Arab countries that have a Muslim State and have not been wiped out since 1948 yes there is conflict, but no concentration camps for Israeli Jews.
If I was in Hitlers presence during the war, I would have approached him in that exact way, anything else would get you shot, so would be futile.
Kate xx
'No Muslim State Politician is as powerful or as bad as Hitler.' - does Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi ring any bells?
He has basically wiped out the entire Syrian/Iraqi yezidis and christians, genocidal behaviour comparable to Hitler's treatment of the Jews.
