Oklahoma beheading - Islam is a disease

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  • cofty
    cofty

    It is the same with the Koran.

    Can anybody think of a nice, modern, liberal interprepation for the following words of the prophet?

    Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand. - 4:34

    Nice Muslims don't take Mo seriously.

  • Simon
    Simon

    My Muslim friends, neighbors, coworkers, and students live in a free civilized country were they are FREE TO BE MUSLIM.

    They are free to pretend to be muslim lite and the civillised world they enjoy is due to a completely different culture.

    And I will support their freedom with my last breath. They have broken none of our laws and are regular human beings.

    No you won't. No one who ever says that really believes it or intends to carry through with it - it's just grand words.

    AND radical murdering Muslim fanatics must be stopped.

    Yes, real muslims must be stopped.

    Oh yeah? every heard of that verse about an 'eye for an eye?' or being a 'blood avenger'? these ideas are from the Bible regarding what should be done to a murderer (which is what the abortion bomber thinks abortion doctors are: murderers) and "Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image" <--supporters of the abortion bomber use this scripture to say the the Bible says abortion doctors should be killed.

    The eye-for-an-eye was old testament (exodus?) - that's zionist. The new testament christian teaching form the Sermon on the Mount that refernced it was that you were to turn the other cheek, not seek revenge. (wow, I can still do the bible thing even after all these years!)

    It all depends on how you look at the Bible. Moderate Christians see nothing in the Bible that says to go out and kill abortion doctors. Radical terrorist Christians see it differently.

    There is nothing in the bible saying to do it. The quoran however is less open to misinterpretation.

  • Jeffro
    Jeffro

    People - usually Christians - like to bang on about how 'Muslims' (though only actually a subset) stone people, but they seem to forget that the source of the punishments mandated by 'Sharia law' (actually a tautology, because sharia means 'law') is the same 'Mosaic law' revered by Christians as part of their 'holy book'. (Stoning is mandated in the Bible not only for adultery, but also for cursing, idolatry, picking up sticks on a Saturday, or touching a magical mountain.) Such acts that are clearly immoral are from the 'perfect law' supposedly given by their very own ('Christian') 'perfect' 'unchanging' God. Executions in the Bible are either praised by Christians as virtuous or simply ignored. Yet religious people have the gall to say that humans could not be 'moral' without 'God'.

    In each of the 'Abrahamic religions' there is a spectrum of religious conviction that ranges from dangerous to irrelevant. The more nonsense in their own 'holy books' that religious people reject, the more harmless they become. People often like to put that more politely by referring to fundamentalists and moderates.

  • lisaBObeesa
    lisaBObeesa

    "My Muslim friends, neighbors, coworkers, and students live in a free civilized country were they are FREE TO BE MUSLIM."

    They are free to pretend to be muslim lite and the civillised world they enjoy is due to a completely different culture.

    "AND radical murdering Muslim fanatics must be stopped."

    Yes, real muslims must be stopped.

    So this is how you keep everything cleaned up in your mind: you just declare that moderate Muslims are not real Muslims, and then you can still stick to your "Islam is a desease" line.

    I'm afraid that Muslims of all types are, by definition, Muslims. You are not free to change that fact.

    The eye-for-an-eye was old testament (exodus?) - that's zionist. The new testament christian teaching form the Sermon on the Mount that refernced it was that you were to turn the other cheek, not seek revenge. (wow, I can still do the bible thing even after all these years!)

    Yes, and moderate Muslims have an explanation for what is in the Koran just like you have your explanations for what is in the Bible.

  • Violia
    Violia

    Yes, and moderate Muslims have an explanation for what is in the Koran just like you have your explanations for what is in the Bible.

    perhaps but would they be free to say that in certain Muslin run countries? No is the answer. They would be keeping quiet to protect themselves.

  • Simon
    Simon

    lisab: So to be a Muslim you don't need to follow or believe the Quoran ... got it.

    Does that mean we're all Muslims now? The criteria seems pretty lose. Maybe you could clarify exactly what does and doesn't make someone a Muslim in your eyes. I think I've given a pretty straightforward definition - belief and adherence to the Quoran.

    Christians have a strange relationship with the old testament - it's like the prequel / scene setting book to show how awesomez the new testament is but the NT is really what sets the belief system.

  • BucketShopBill
    BucketShopBill

    So much of their science was stole from Jews, Hindus and Christians and scientiest were treated like they were apostates! The more you dig up on Islamic and Science you find the historical revisionists did a great job trying to put Islam above other religions.

    "There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances,taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.

    The Qur'an:

    Qur'an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.

    Qur'an (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves."

    Qur'an (9:3) - "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..." The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.

    Qur'an (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.

    Qur'an (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts" The context of this remark is marriage, which explains why Sharia allows spouses to lie to each other for the greater good.

    Qur'an (66:2) - "Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths"

    Qur'an (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) ismakara, which literally means 'deceit'. If Allah is supremely deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 an

    “Islamic Science” or Islamic Propaganda?"

    "..For years now, as we all know, newspapers, magazines, and book publishers around the Western world have shrunk from publishing texts that touch on some of the more uncomfortable truths about Islam, preferring instead to give us all but idyllic accounts of Muslim history and belief and hagiographies of its prophet. Similarly, film, TV, and theater producers have gotten into the habit of scrubbing scripts free of anything that might be considered critical of Islam, even as they’ve given the green light to one project after another that has done a thoroughgoing job of whitewashing the Religion of Peace.

    Museums, too, have played this same timid game, quietly removing centuries-old images of Muhammed from display and putting them into storage for fear of offending believers. Meanwhile, museumgoers have been treated to shows that are sheer Islamic propaganda.

    Last year, Nick Cohen wrote in the Observer about one such exhibition that was then on display at the British Museum. It professed to present an informed view of the history of the Hajj – the pilgrimage to Mecca – going all the way back to Muhammed. But, as Cohen observed, the museum’s version of Muhammed’s life stuck to “the authorised version of ‘religious scholars,’” ignoring actual findings by real historians. It also excluded “evidence that might embarrass the Saudi royal family,” such as the fact that those royals have “wrecked Mecca,” destroying “the remnants of the 7th-century city.”

    Why should the British Museum be so concerned about Saudi sensitivities? Simple: because a Saudi library was the museum’s partner in putting on the exhibition; because Saudi authorities had loaned key items to the show; and because financial sponsorship had been provided by (or through?) a bank that “issues sharia-compliant loans...."

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/bruce-bawer/islamic-science/

    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/myths-of-islam.htm

  • Bungi Bill
    Bungi Bill

    It has often been observed that the first casualty in any war is the truth. Certainly, in this particular fight, that has already proved to be the case.

    I have a work colleague who was raised as a Moslem, and in a Moslem country (Iran). However, exactly like me, he now has nothing to do with religion in any of its forms.

    It would be a very sad day - and in complete violation of our Western ideals of liberalism and democracy - if the likes of he became the objects of hostility, simply for being of Middle Eastern appearance. Yet, with the amount of bigotry being currently let loose, I could easily see this happening.

    By the way, Simon, I thought hate speech was forbidden on this discussion board? (Posting Guidelines 1, 2 and 3)

    If your opening remarks on this thread are'nt hate speech (i.e "Inciting hatred on the basis of race, religion, gender, nationality or sexuality or other personal characteristic"), then they certainly are an excellent imitation of such!

    For somebody who must at least have had a hand in the phrasing of Posting Guideline No.1 ("Insulting, threatening or provoking language"), the opening sentences of your second paragraph of that post are particularly insulting.

    There is a word that describes this sort of conduct. That word begins with the letter "H", and it is not a particularly flattering one!

    Bill.

  • confusedandalone
    confusedandalone

    Wait a minute some people said they did nothing some said it was stolen. Please elaborate bucket

  • BucketShopBill
    BucketShopBill

    No amount of evidence is going to convince people that Islam was not fertile grounds for scientific thinking and that's why now there is a bigger movement to combat atheism in the Middle East because the religious leaders are afraid of having their "holy books and hadiths" evaluated by scholars like "Dr. Bart Erhman" of Islam. When one of the scholars of Cairo said "we need to put the Quran up to the scrutiny that Christians and Jews have done to their books", he was told "more talk like this and you will end up dead." I was impressed to hear Dr. Richard Dawkins finally open up against this religion too, for too long to get even with Christendom some scientist have made false claims about the merits of Islam and now scientist are learning in the Middle East there is no tolerance for tolerant people. Things are going to get worse, we might end up with some great Holy War spreading to all the Western Countries via the "Lone Wolves" who have no value of innocent lives. The movement to crush atheism in the Middle East and Africa is cruising along so I can see why people are now worried of the future.

    "In reality, science and Islam are fundamentally incompatible, which is why, despite the propaganda, there are no Muslim scientists in the history of the Islamic world. The only rational thinkers of some influence that world has produced, Averroes and Avicenna, were not real Muslims, but apostates. Avicenna (980-1037) was an Aristotelian who tried to reconcile formal logic with Islam and failed. Averroes (1126-1198), also influenced by Aristotle, had his works burnt and his disciples persecuted.

    The very notion of God in Islam, a being whose power is so absolute that cannot be limited by reason, logic or the laws of nature, and who can at any moment change the order of the universe at his will — if Allah arbitrarily so commands, tomorrow the sun will not rise — makes it impossible to have a Muslim science. Science, a systematic method of looking at things combining empiricism and logic, developed only in Christianity.

    Even putting aside this little faux pas, that mercifully for Akala — who is a writer, artist and entrepreneur, no less — nobody disputed (another indication, if necessary, of the lacklustre intellectual standard of this audience), it was evident that Robinson’s opponents, namely the whole studio, couldn’t stand up to him."

    In Iraq one of the Sultans did keep the Greek Philosophy from getting destroyed but eventually these archieves were destroyed during another war bringing the once propserous Bagdad back to 700s style living. The problems Islam has encountered is when you destroy your working class and over-tax the "infidels and people of the book', they leave the country and "good-for-nothing" men stand around, malingering, thinking of ways to steal someone elses money. The poverty is outrageous for all the oil revenue some of these countries get, when the Oil goes dry than what?

    "

    How Muslims Did Not Invent Algebra
    by Enza Ferreri

    Continuing on the theme of what Muslims did — or more likely did not do — for the world, there is a widespread misconception that they “invented algebra”. Maybe this fallacy is due to the fact that “algebra” is a word of Arabic origin, but historical questions are not solved by etymological answers.

    Yes, the English word “algebra” derives from the Arabic. So does “sugar” (from the Arabic “sukkar”) but that doesn’t mean that Muslims invented sugar.

    The word “algebra” stems from the Arabic word “al-jabr”, from the name of the treatise Book on Addition and Subtraction after the Method of the Indians written by the 9th-century Persian mathematician Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi, who translated, formalized and commented on ancient Indian and Greek works.

    http://gatesofvienna.net/2013/08/how-muslims-did-not-invent-algebra/

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