Luhe - I'm not going to answer it, as I said it's only designed to set you up for a strawman argument.
Oklahoma beheading - Islam is a disease
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LoveUniHateExams
@confusedandalone - of course not!
The US, along with other western governements, should try to reform Islam and bring it into the 21st century.
I'm afraid this also means showing zero tolerance to islamism and crushing islamists.
Hope this helps.
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confusedandalone
LoveUniHateExams - So why does the first page have the following statements:
" If you must round them up, then start rounding up any of them that has expressed any extremist ideas or statements, and put their asses in the FEMA camps.
What would be so difficult in making membership of a group a crime in itself? It's been done before for other far less dangerous groups.
I say terminate with EXTREME prejudice.
No problem at all. Send them to a Muslim country if they want to remain Muslim. "
Is there some form of miscommunication. I mean there are heaps of statements from everyone here stating the contrary. Is it possible that the mindset of people in this thread has changed and instead of saying they were wrong they just wait for time to roll by and then usher in changes slowly? I do not uinderstand what is happening here
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confusedandalone
LoveUniHateExams - "There is no suggestion that the West should abandon its values. Rather it must fight for them."
To the contrary I would like to state that tootiredtocare quotes the declaration of independence with its freedom of religion etc... and how great it was. Yet he also says people should be deported for their religious beliefs.
That is the definition of abandoning the countries values
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FlyingHighNow
the governor of Colorado back in 1864 who WAS an alleged " Christian " a pastor of a church I believe - he and his militia did massacre over 200 Cheyenne Indians for just existing with no provocation from them.
If he did this just because the Indians existed, then it doesn't sound like religion was the motivation for the masacre. If he had been following Christ, he would have put away his sword, right? I'm not a Christian, but I recognize evil, just for the sake of evil. Some people easily put aside their religious beliefs, when prejudice and greed take raise their ugly heads. Even if the governor claimed religious motivation, it's obvious he didn't understand that the first Christians were admonished to be peaceful.
There is evil in the human race. You can take away religion, but you won't get rid of the evil. I recognize that evil, dastardly men and women will use any excuse or reason to dominate and control their fellow humans. They will do it without religion: U.S.S.R, China, N. Korea and they will do it with religion. N. Korea just puts emperor worship in the place of god worship. The entire lifestyle of the country is like a godless worship of Kim Jong-un.
Islam and Muslims make us all nervous these days. You could take away religion from these peoples, but their history shows they have always been steeped in the need to subdue with violence. I don't mean every Arab person, but this region definitely has a violent history, going back hundreds and possibly thousands of years before Christ or Muhammed ever walked this earth.
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LoveUniHateExams
@confusedandalone - the statements you've quoted are ambiguous. Perhaps the person who posted them can explain them better than I can.
Other posters on this thread have agreed that acting against muslims simply for being muslim is proposterous and wrong, yet can see there are major issues within Islam and amongst some muslims.
I hope you will draw similar conclusions.
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confusedandalone
" acting against muslims simply for being muslim is proposterous and wrong, yet can see there are major issues within Islam and amongst some muslims."
I fully agree with this. Not trying to be funny or argumentative but have you read this post from the beginning? If you had you would see that the quotes I put up are not ambiguous at all. The first few pages of this post is full of people calling for the things I posted. The issues with Islam and Muslims are really no different then those of Christians. People clinging on to ancient ideas will always cause a problem. The only difference is about 100 years or less of history.
When you call for mass imprisonment or deportation because of peoples religious beliefs ther eis a problem.
What is worse there is this projection that people from the middle east are more disposed to violence then people of other regions.
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confusedandalone
" You could take away religion from these peoples, but their history shows they have always been steeped in the need to subdue with violence. I don't mean every Arab person, but this region definitely has a violent history, going back thousands of years before Christ or Muhammed ever walked this earth."
Can you not say this about the Europeans to a far greater extent? Lets be fair. The British empire has invaded 90% of the world and it was with violence. The Roman empire as well. You can't just say this region is steeped in the need to subdue with violence. It would make sense to say MANKIND is steeped in the need to subdue with violence.
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AlphaMan
" If you must round them up, then start rounding up any of them that has expressed any extremist ideas or statements, and put their asses in the FEMA camps.
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Confused......you would actually support allowing extremist Muslims that support radical Islam, and making statements against the U.S. people to roam freely in this country? They are called terrorists. Too bad none of the 9/11 or Boston Marathon Muslims were not rounded up instead of freely being able to carry out their deadly terror plots. The OK woman would still be alive if her extremist Muslim killer would have been rounded up for his extreme views & statements.
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FlyingHighNow
Can you not say this about the Europeans to a far greater extent? Lets be fair. The British empire has invaded 90% of the world and it was with violence. The Roman empire as well. You can't just say this region is steeped in the need to subdue with violence. It would make sense to say MANKIND is steeped in the need to subdue with violence.
Yes, you can say this about many ancient histories and peoples. This thread is discussing Islam though.