I have found this debate thought provoking...
Oklahoma beheading - Islam is a disease
by Simon 1524 Replies latest members adult
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Violia
a face book site worth checking out.
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Captain Obvious
Very interesting, give this a watch. Still think ISIS will remain an outgroup of Islam, viewed as fanatics by most Muslims?
If something isn't done soon, there will be another generation of this to deal with. It goes so far beyond a small group of extremist terrorists.
The scariest part about this is that even if it is ONLY 5% of Muslims that would submit to ISIS or any other extremist group and participate... 5% of 1.4 billion is still 70 000 000 people. Wake up people. Who cares about "moderate" Muslims? If they're not a threat. They can lie about Islam being a peaceful religion if it's what helps them sleep at night. Focus on the ones who actually take the Koran seriously.
This discussion is getting way off course. Stating that "Islam is a disease" isn't an untrue statement. All religion is disease, whether it causes people to do bad things or not.
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Mary
I think this says it all about moderate Muslims and what 'role' they play:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq1BC95-VnQAnd this one:
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confusedandalone
cofty - "There has been no acknowledgement by Mikado, Confused et al, that it is legitimate to like individual muslims while detesting their religion.
Why not?"
I went to go pick up a very very important piece for a car I am restoring (I am pretty excited to add the 1969 Judge to my stale of classic muscle cars!!!). I was not here. Also AlphaDog and his amazing debating made me run an hide.
Anyway, I have no problem with you liking an individual and hating their religion. That is your choice. However I have a problem with people yelling out for genocide, or mass incarcerations of people based upon religious beliefs. I think banning a religion and its adherents is ridiculous. It seems so Orwellian to me that anyone supports making it illegal for people to belong to a religion. It also is alarming to see people imply Muslims are illiterate etc... the amount of hatred I see rolling off peoples tongues is amazing.
I have been called an APOLOGIST multiple times. Is this calling me a muslim apologist or an ISIS apologist? I would really like to know because it really is tiresome for anyone to think either. I do not care for Islam / Christianity /etc... all religion is a waste of time to me. Yet I would never condemn anyopne or want to lock anyone up for being a part of any religion. ISIS is an abomination. You have Gregor stating I should strap a bomb to myself and blow up a kindergarten class.
I think I would be more worried about people like Gregor than the random Muslim I see on the street.
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Bungi Bill
It also is alarming to see people imply Muslims are illiterate etc
I, too, thought that that was very unfair. All the Moslems I have known have placed a high value on education. They made sure their children were regular in attendance at school; they insisted that their kids did their homework, studied hard for examinations and generally did well in their learning. In fact, their attitude towards education was exactly the same as that of most other Asian peoples. (Not to mention being one that would put most Westerners to shame).
Of the Moslem people that I have associated with / worked with / had as neighbours, occupations amongst them included such professions as electrical engineer, computer programmer, mechanical engineer, doctor of medicine:
- Not exactly fields of learning that you could graduate from if you were illiterate!
All I can say is that the poster here who strongly suggested all Moslems are illiterate must surely have known he was talking nonsense!
Bill.
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flipper
Religion has produced seeds of violence since time began virtually all throughout history. MANY religions have done this. People talk about what kind of principles the United States of America were built on ? Reality shows us it was built on rape, pillaging, murder , and the forceful takeover of Native indigenous people's land who occupied this continent LONG before the White Europeans came over. Hundreds if not thousands of them were murdered and massacred from the 1600's until even the 21st century in the name of what ? " Manifest Destiny " in which one group of people ( basically white Christians)were taught to bring the Native Americans under submission to the rule of America forcing them into boarding schools in which they lost their Native language, cut off their long hair, were forced to accept the " American " way of life and forced to go to Catholic schools or other allegedly " Christian " schools. Many Native Americans by the hundreds were massacred by the U.S. military in the 1800's and their bodies of men, women, and children mutilated and dumped into ditches with their sex organs cut off. Then the U.S. cavalry went riding around in victory with those sex organs attached to their hats ! Think Muslims are bad ? Yeah some are, but so are people from the White race and every other religious group ! Done in the name of God and country ! How noble. Makes me want to puke.
So if you really sit back and think about it- the United States government backed by " christians " pursuing religious " freedoms ' is JUST as bloodguilty as todays terrorists from the massacres of Native Americans in the hundreds and thousands. And the United States government allowed it to happen to these people- didn't even blink an eye of shame. No accountability from the U.S. government OR religions claiming to worship some God or " Christ ".
Point is - you can look at history with the inquisitions, crusades, massacres of indigenous people in order for powerful countries to land grab- and you know what- you can lump many of the CHristians right in there with Muslim, Isis terrorists, and any other scum you think of who take advantage of other human beings in a violent, coercive, or psycholoically manipulative way. Yeah, the Muslims have extremists, but so do religious fundamentalists, fanatics all in the name of " Christianity ". There is no difference if you look at the big picture in all of history
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Violia
well flipper, we are not currently beheading anyone (on video or in private ) for all to see. check out the Bill Maher link way back. It is pretty good. The usa has a lot of faults but we don't behead , stone etc for moral offenses or even crimes. At least we are a cijvilzed country compared to these filthy animals who think nothing of rape and torture and beheading someone on video. Fundy;s are mean, but they won't literally kill you.
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Gregor
I appreciate the comments by Flipper.
My only response is that this is not a History discussion, it is Current Events.
Finding equivalency in past events does not make the Islam of today any less vile. The woman at the food processing plant in Oklahoma was a mother and grandmother who never hurt a fly. She was butchered and her body mutilated. By a man who was drawn into the Islamic militant mindset and copy catted what he had seen them doing to "infidels."
How do past atrocities make this "ho hum"?
I think society in general is becoming calloused and numbed. I still think about the little boy sitting on the curb in Boston to watch a marathon when an Islamic jihadist set his backpack next to him and snuck off to detonate it from a safe distance.
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sooner7nc
Simon's right. Islam is a disease and the remedy should be delivered in megaton quantities. Dozens of megatons.