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Oklahoma beheading - Islam is a disease
by Simon 1524 Replies latest members adult
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Bungi Bill
Simon,
It is my understanding that mainstream Christian churches use both the Old and New Testaments of the Bible, but just choose to disregard the more violent passages of scripture:
- probably rationalising the events described therein as being the product of " a people who had only reached a lower level of civilisation compared to us."
Certainly, from what I remember of religious instruction in primary school (albeit that was 50 years ago!) stories from the Old Testament seemed to feature prominently. I can recall the instructors dealing at length with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses in the Bullrushes, Daniel in the Lion's Den etc. etc. etc. - but, of course, nothing about Joshua being given the divine commission to exterminate the Canaanites.
I would have though all this to be more than a little bit odd if the church (in this case, the very conservative Anglican one) no longer used the Old Testament?
Bill
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Simon
Yes, they seem to like the stories but they're increasingly used as allegory instead of treated as commandments on how to live now. Event the 10 commandments are picked at - just the things that comply with modern society.
I guess islam is still waiting to grow up into this millenium.
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LoveUniHateExams
@Frazzled - just reread a couple of your posts and maybe you're right. Maybe I should stop being so aggressive, try and consider others' points of view and chill a bit.
Back on topic, it's just come through on the news that Alan Henning has been beheaded by ISIS. A decent man, an aid worker who missed his family's christmas to help Syrian refugees. I hope his family gets the support and help and support they need at this unbelievably difficult time.
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Gregor
Goats have feelings too.... Just sayin'
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Simon
I watched Sam Harris and Bill Maher try to make similar points to the ones I attempted on this thread to little avail because Ben Affleck did a liberal zealot routine and shouted down any reaonable common sense doing exactly what some on here have tried to do: turn any criticism of islam into racist biggotry.
Interestingly, Muslim voices are starting to say the same thing: to combat Isis the Quran has to be addressed because the problem is that the core message is compatible with Isis.
As I wrote in a previous post, ISIS's interpretation of the Quran is a very plausible one and this explains why ISIS has no trouble using the Quran as a recruiting tool.
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We can continue to be in denial and claim that ISIS's ideology has nothing to do with Islam, hoping to dissuade the jihadis and silence the anti-Muslim bigots. Thing is, with the Quran at so many people's fingertips these days, neither the jihadis nor the anti-Muslim bigots are believing this anymore and we are simply hurting our own credibility.
If we want to really solve the problem and maybe even regain some credibility, we need leaders who are willing to put forth the idea that we have to change the way we regard the Quran. Treating the Quran as God's perfect and literal word to man is creating too much havoc.
Only when the notions of Quranic infallibility and inerrancy are challenged, will it be possible for believing Muslims to openly admit that according to literalist interpretations at least, violent and hateful passages exist in the Quran: passages that call for fighting those who don't believe in Allah, that support ISIS's ideology and help them recruit young Muslims like Aqsa Mahmood.
After all, only when a critical mass of Muslims propagate the idea that the Quran may not be God's literal and perfect word to man and denounce the violent and hateful verses in the Quran that support ISIS's ideology, will we successfully counter ISIS's propaganda and stop the flow of wannabe jihadis crossing that Turkish border.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/fathima-imra-nazeer/how-to-defeat-isis_b_5871532.html?utm_hp_ref=tw
Will some want to label here an anti-muslim racist as well?
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LoveUniHateExams
'ISIS interpretation of the Quran is a very plausible one' - good point.
Western politicians often say the ISIS interpretation is a 'twisted version of Islam' without backing up this statement.
Islamic scholars and leaders need to do a better job in offering sane explanations and condemning the ISIS interpretation.
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FlyingHighNow
Isis knows the best way to unite people for its cause is to use the Koran to rally them. People do it with the Bible, too, in that will use fear of God to unite them for a cause of some kind. The problem with Isis is that they use the Koran to incite to brutality and murder. This beheading thing is chilling and frightening. They behead their own members for disagreement and for attempting to leave.
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Simon
Do people do it with the bible too?
This is a repeated claim ("the religions are the same") but I don't think it's really true, certainly not to the same extent
If a Christian nut tries to claim they are commanded to kill then mainstream Christians can easily say 'no you are not'.
I don't think mainstream Muslims can make the same claim which is why their opposition to it seems rather week.