Oklahoma beheading - Islam is a disease

by Simon 1524 Replies latest members adult

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  confusedandalone

  1: No faith schools allowed. Can you imagine what this would do to right-wing nutjobs when all Catholic Schools are closed down?

  2: No home schooling on religious grounds. See Above.

  3: Banning all religious clothing on public , municipal property (schools, courthouses etc.) You sound like a Nazi

  4: Enacting protection laws banning arranged marriages for under 18s. Cultural practices all of which are controlled by the west would be foolish. The same thing happened here. You can still get married here if under 18. Please let the world know why the arbitrary age of 18 is ok but not 17?

  5: The immediate creation by and for Muslims of country based , open to the public, authoraties in charge of mosques, Islamic religious instruction etc. This would make clear the expectation of policing extremist views in a transparent fashion. Any mosque violating would be closed until reformed. You were UPSET because I asked you if these rules were in place for all religions and you wrote me off as if I was not paying attention. You clearly make the point that this mandate is for Muslims only. Your bias is showing.

  6: All people leaving the country to fight for Islamic wars to receive a permanent ban on re-entering the country. - Wonderful. Totally Agree

  7: A clear and honest review of all religious privilege across all religions with the aim of imposing a set of public standards (covering shunning, honour killing, women's rights, gender issues etc.) with mild sanction (losing charitable status) through to bans on individuals, congregations or religious practices depending on the seriousness of the social problem. - Undermines the “beliefs” of the so-called founding fathers

  8: Standardisation and potential banning of such things as halal slaughtering practices if deemed inhumane. So the killing of animals by electrocution or being bashed in the head with sledgehammers that take place currently are still ok or would they be bad as well? How about those experiments on lab animals etc...

  you are so imbalanced in your reasoning.
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  Laika

  Luhe - I'm British and I know you're lying, your use of 'metrosexual' and 'precious' were insults rooted in your patriarchal prejudices. They would be best abandoned.
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  AlphaMan

  call you out on your hate speech.

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  So you think speaking out against a religion that believes I, my family, and all Western people should incur death for not being Muslim, attacked this country and killed thousands at the WTC, routinely attacks Western people because of their diseased ideology, and beheads innocent Western people is hate speech?

  I don't think the family of the 54 year old OK woman who was beheaded at work by a Muslim would agree with you. You are sick with liberalism.
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  confusedandalone

  tootired2care - "Confused, grow up. Critizing a religion is not hate speech, if that were the case, everything in this forum (including what you've contributed) and jwfacts would also be hate speech. Your arguments are the height of stupidity. Go back to being a watchtarded elderoid where you belong."

  1. You tell me to grow up when in an adult discussion you are posting comics of a religions prophet holding a lollipop and wearing a diaper. Let me let you in on something. Most people here think you are a bigot. A witty bigot, but a bigot none the less.

  2. I don't think you are fully aware of what hate speech is or how what you are spewing is such. Promoting the rounding up of a group of people and putting them in jail based on their religious beliefs is hate speech to anyone who is not a completely diluted xenophobe.

  3. Actually any balanced person realizes my arguments are not the "height of stupidity". As a matter of fact, the 8 points your buddy Qcmbr are the height of stupidity with the exception of one.

  4. I sense the fact that you refer back to the whole "watchtarded elderoid" thing demonstrates your very low self-esteem.

  Where you ever an elder? Are you jealous you didn't get a promotion in the ranks of jehovahs chosen organization? ROOOOOOOOOOOOFL

  Anyone familiar with the JW mindset can clearly see that you have the characteristics that are so closely linked to the JW mindset.

  The more you guys talk the more you reveal about yourselves. Nearly every thread I remember you starting is either bashing democrats, bashing Obama, bashing Muslims etc... etc... if seems you have an axe to grind. It seems you have alot of agression to release. Maybe it is because of your lot in life. Are you worried about your lower / middle class standing? Scared swarthy people from all over the world will take over and force their beliefs on you? You are exactly the demographic FOX News panders to.
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  Qcmbr

  Confused - your debate tactics are showing. In the tight confines of a discussion forum you demand a full, referenced, essay style post covering all the points that you may or may not disagree with to show balance. Enough. You aren't discussing how to deal with the points raised you are retreating to insult , stonewall and misrepresentation of argument without contribution.

  As an anti-theist I am very pro ironing out the privilege that religion has inherited from history but as a pragmatist I recognise that one faith based belief system has come out in open opposition to western society and is recruiting extremists right now who want to kill me, you and anyone else not bowing to their will. As a believer in freedom and democracy and the rule of liberal law I believe our response should be measured, resolute, well researched and focused.
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  LoveUniHateExams

  @Laika - ok fair enough, fair point. I admit I'm not without my own prejudices and I'll try my best to abandon these and be objective from here on in.

  Also, I'd like to direct my last question aimed at confusedandalone to you: if you were gay, would you rather live in the West or in a muslim-majority country?

  Take your time.
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  confusedandalone

  " Confused - your debate tactics are showing. In the tight confines of a discussion forum you demand a full, referenced, essay style post covering all the points that you may or may not disagree with to show balance. Enough. You aren't discussing how to deal with the points raised you are retreating to insult , stonewall and misrepresentation of argument without contribution."

  So if my demanding "a full, referenced, essay style post covering all the points that you may or may not disagree with to show balance. " Makes you scream "Enough" because it bothers you so much then why did you request that i do far more than that in the third world squalor thread where you said " please also show alongside the wars, genocides, plagues, social customs, legal systems, educational attainment rates, infrastructure projects, slavery rates and death rates before and after colonisation over say a 100 year period. I'm interested in your information. Seriously."

  You are being a hypocrite again. It is showing.

  Also on a side not, this is not your home country of Rhodesia in the late 20th century where you can just tell the black guy "ENOUGH" and expect me to run away as if I am scared or in fear you will rape my wife and murder my children. Thankfully after alot of years the USofA got that part right and prevented that from happening.

  LET ME GUESS YOU WILL IGNORE ALL THE OBVIOUS POINTS IN THIS POST AS WELL
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  confusedandalone

  " Also, I'd like to direct my last question aimed at confusedandalone to you: if you were gay, would you rather live in the West or in a muslim-majority country?"

  EXCELLENT question!

  It depends which Muslim majority country you speak of. As has been stating NOT all muslim countries carry on the same way for all matters. As I stated before in my visit to Turkey I saw homosexuals. They were not beaten or treated adversely. I would say there rights are similar to how they were here maybe 20 or thirty years ago.
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  Qcmbr

  No just asking for: your views on the problems (do you even think there is one) and how you would deal with them . What I'm not asking for is verbal abuse, name calling and black and white statements indicating no attempt to discuss but simple attempt to dominate discussion.

  ..feel free to apologise for putting forward the lie that I would threaten someone of another race or rape or murder anyone. That's pretty ugly debate tactics.
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  Justitia Themis

  Or this? You haven't 'seen their leaders' decrying ISIS's actions, Simon, because you don't want to. These were only a simple Google search away....

  Yes, people will decry it - but nowhere will you find the simple statements "this is not what islam teaches and here's why ..."

  Why is that? Isn't it because all that stuff they are doing actually is in their holy book?

  All that people can say is "this gives our religion a bad name"

  Incorrect Simon.

  Their statements are rife with words and concepts that have deep, textual Quranic meaning. It's just that you, not being Muslim, are not familiar with the words, or the religious debates surrounding the words or verses. Hence, you fail to see that these leaders ARE using the Quran to decry the violence.

  Especially hard-hitting from a Quranic perspective is the statement 'Muslims are not required to follow Isis's leadership.' That's an "oh snap!" moment that is totally lost on Christians.