Are the MEN apostates more imp. than the WOMEN? (page 7)

obiefernandez

Don't forget Mommie Dark. Doesn't post much nowadays (that I know of), but was an VIA* a few years ago.

Obie

*Very Important Apostate

terafera

then come to the hall and NOT ONE BRO COMPLIMENTS THEM and then mon thru fri she has to deal with smooth larry telling her at work how FINE SHE IS, then we wonder why our sisters get involved and we ask WHAT HAPPENED TO HER.

hell YA !!! Brother!!! Preach it!!!!

I cant tell you how true that statement is. When I was single and going to the Hall, I didnt have much of a social life. Every dress, shoe, makeup, etc...was done for the meetings. I would spend alot of time getting ready. Have the eyeshadow to match the nails, the shoes to match the dress, new nylons, hair curled... looking mighty fine and go to the meeting to get no props. Alot of the older (and frumpy) women would look down on me and judge me, saying I was looking for the wrong type of 'attention'. In reality, I went to the meetings for spiritual reasons..but I was sick of being overlooked by 'brothers'.

I even recalled one brother, around my age. He came up to me, red face...said, 'I dont want you to take this the wrong way, but you look off the hook tonight.' He was very worried that I would mention to someone that he said it. I was so shocked that he somehow felt that complimenting me was wrong.

There were even times I researched articles and prepared answers very articulately...sometimes writing them on a piece of paper and taping it inside my Watchtower. You cant imagine how it felt to have no-one comment to me about my answers, yet run to brother so-and-so and tell him they love how he handles the microphones. I was always told how I would need a man to be my spiritual 'head'....as if my life wouldnt go well if there were no man present. I can vividly remember when a certain brother liked me...he was nowhere near my taste, flaming red hair, freckles, thick glasses.....and all the sisters urging me to date him because he was an MS and might get me 'into Bethel'.

Yup, I've lived in someone else's shadow for too long....it has only been since I left the 'Org' that I have been able to fully recognize my womanliness without apology or guilt.

HomebutHiding

"Are the MEN apostates more imp. than the WOMEN?" I had to look at this thread to see what imp. sttod for. Are the men more impotent? More impractical? More impressive? More impish? More imprecise? Hahahha, well, you get the idea. I must say after decades of the submission doctrine, I feel equal to the task with all posters. I don't feel a superiority of males here. I must admit, I skipped the reading of most post here, so I really might have missed the point of the question. But these men are not JWs. They are freethinking people, and as such, I assume they don't buy into the "men are at the helm" rules anymore.

JosephMalik

Do the women apostates carry as much weight as the men, and why do you say so?
LDH,

Say does that stand for Latter Day Heretic? Just kidding, after all my wife and I published the article, Women Equal in the Faith many years ago and what we found as a result was that many men hate it. They still hold to the old traditional Jewish values and present day WT values that Paul tried to stamp out. This puts me on the outs with many of them.

Men are more into machinery and technology and have taken the lead in much of this effort. But there are women behind them pushing. All have a share and many women are doing much that is not visible to us. So more is being done than we can see. Sadly some are still in the dark ages like JanG who will not let me post on her site because I tend to beat her up in discussions on H2o. Perhaps such are too emotional and not seeing things in a practical way. Society does take its toll and it takes a special kind of women to come on here and stand up for the faith with all the rest of us. But whatever the situation, I would like to see more of them.
Joseph

Edited by - JosephMalik on 22 June 2002 8:58:38

Pathofthorns

I think alot of JW men were lazy slackers and if it wasn't for women in the Organization pushing them or patching up their mistakes most of these men would have been nothing. While the power was in the hands of the men, it was the "sisters" that did the real work in the religion, which was the public ministry.

I am still a lazy slacker and I think it is the women in the exJW movement that are more often the drive and the passion and the emotion. I think they are the ones that often do the real "work", the ones that when it comes down to it are not afraid to get their "hands dirty".

Ones like "Out'n Free" who boldly posted Silentlambs posters outside a convention while being threatened or ones like "Dungbeetle" and "Skally" who are so persistant like a police dog that won't let a criminal escape it's grasp.

I don't know if this is a fair or accurate assessment and if it is, I don't know if this is how things really should be. But I'm sure we all would agree that every single person has contributed something valuable to this whole "cause" and I don't think gender has anything to do with whether someone is more important or not in exJW circles.

Path

not interested

i rember hearing somthing about the sisters being a army of large of woman or was it a large army of woman either way they were inpoit\rtant in the cong. and they are important on this site

Windchaser

Being a newbie, I thought JanH was a male, because of his mustache. But, when you said he was a she, I was surprised, but believed you. There was a post about facial hair on women today, so I just assumed...

Edited by - Windchaser on 23 June 2002 4:12:17

Edited by - Windchaser on 23 June 2002 4:13:48

Prisca

Just a point....

All this talk about the more prominant apsotates being male.....

How many of them would have done what they did if they were single, or single with kids, and had no one to cook for them, do their laundry, look after household matters etc whilst they spend all their time reading books, talking to ex-jws and being online??? Randy is the only one who has been single whilst doing this work.

Very few. Yet many ex-jw women are single women, or single/divorced with kids. I am sure if they had the available time and money, they could do just as much as their male counterparts.

ISP

Hey Path...that was a pretty good summary.

ISP

LDH

1. JanH *IS* a male!!!! I made a typo and confused him with JanG.....

2. Prisca, I totally agree with you. But that's wasn't what I was trying to get at. I was wondering if the difference in technique that MEN XJW use about getting the word out....is more effective than the methods that the women use.

I'm sure this is a totally subjective question, I just wanted to get some of your thoughts on the subject.

Again, I want to reiterate, this is not a debate over whether the men do more because of the women's support or vice versa, only a hypothetical question about the tactics the genders use.

Lisa

Are the MEN apostates more imp. than the WOMEN?

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