Insight Book LIES - then tells the TRUTH!

by BoogerMan 77 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  Jeffro

  587 BCE is actually the preferred dating in scholarship since the publication of BM 21946, and no analysis of the primary texts since then supports 586 BCE. But aside from that, the cognitive dissonance is astounding coming from someone who accepts the JW nonsense about 607 BCE.

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  586 or 587 BCE are bogus dates for the Fall of Jerusalem. Since 1975 when A.K.Grayson published his translation of BM 21946 scholars remain uncertain about which date either 586 or 587 is correct. Currently, the said scholar would propose that it is an even split between both candidates. Further, confusion remains about the methodology surrounding such a contention.

  scholar JW
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  Jeffro

  ‘scholar’:

  The fact is that Daniel refers to a period during Neb's reign in which he was vacant from the throne. This period is accepted to be a literal seven years that must be factored in any scheme of Neb's reign for Chronology. The period must be inserted after Neb's 19 th year-607 BCE and before the end of his reign so you have much to play with.

  Restating the claim made in the story is not a valid response to the question. It just reminds us that you don’t understand the period or context in which Daniel was written. But the point is well made… you have no stable chronology of the neo-Babylonian period.

  586 or 587 BCE are bogus dates for the Fall of Jerusalem. Since 1975 when A.K.Grayson published his translation of BM 21946 scholars remain uncertain about which date either 586 or 587 is correct. Currently, the said scholar would propose that it is an even split between both candidates. Further, confusion remains about the methodology surrounding such a contention.

  And you’re wrong.

  https://jeffro77.wordpress.com/2022/11/17/586-or-587/
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  scholar

  Jeffro

  Restating the claim made in the story is not a valid response to the question. It just reminds us that you don’t understand the period or context in which Daniel was written. But the point is well made… you have no stable chronology of the neo-Babylonian period.

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  The book of Daniel is not a story but that of history and prophecy written by a witness to the events of the Neo-Babylonian Period who lived through the 70 years. Thus when he refers to a period pertaining to Neb then that must be accounted for if one wishes to construct an authentic chronology of the period. The context of Daniel is that of the 6th century and any so-called Chronology of the Neo-Babylonian period that omits any reference to Neb's vacancy from the throne is bogus.

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  scholar JW.
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  Jeffro

  The book of Daniel is not a story but that of history and prophecy written by a witness to the events of the Neo-Babylonian Period who lived through the 70 years.

  To borrow your own phrasing,‘ if this was the case then a literal interpretation of Daniel would be universally endorsed by current scholarship.’ 🤣

  https://jeffro77.wordpress.com/daniels-dreams-and-visions/

  Thus when he refers to a period pertaining to Neb then that must be accounted for if one wishes to construct an authentic chronology of the period.

  And yet you can’t account for it. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂
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  scholar

  Jeffro

  And yet you can’t account for it

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  There is no need as it lacks chronological detail for the purpose of Bible Chronology but cannot be ignored by advocates of Neo - Neo-Babylonian chronology as it was a historical event. during the reign of Neb.

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  Jeffro

  ‘scholar’:

  Thus when he refers to a period pertaining to Neb then that must be accounted for if one wishes to construct an authentic chronology of the period.

  But you can’t.

  There is no need as it lacks chronological detail for the purpose of Bible Chronology but cannot be ignored by advocates of Neo - Neo-Babylonian chronology as it was a historical event. during the reign of Neb.

  It seems poor doofus doesn’t understand that the total duration of Nebuchadnezzar’s reign (including any spurious 7 years of insanity) is the same in the JW chronology as it is in the actual chronology (necessitated by the Bible’s identification of Jehoiachin’s release from prison), though the JW chronology moves it 20 years earlier and messes up the order of events at the beginning of his reign. So the only way to ‘account for the seven years’ in any meaningful way is to specify a range of years, otherwise someone (if they believed it was a real period) could just assert that the 7 years of insanity was ‘some time after 587 BCE’.
  
  
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  scholar

  Jeffro

  But you can’t.

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  Yes the said scholar can.

  According to the Old Greek translation of Daniel in Daniel 4:1 Neb had the tree dream in his 18th year and 12 months later the experience of the dream was realized. after seven years had elapsed was restored to his kingdom. Dan.4: 1, 26. After his restoration to the kingship Neb thereupon he wrote" a circular letter to all the nations in their individual places, and to countries and people of all languages which live in all the countries in generation after generation". Dan. 4:34b and "He sent letters concerning everything that happened to him in his reign to all the nations that were under his dominion" Dan.4: 34c.- Daniel, Hermeneia Series, John j Collins, 1993, Fortress Press, pp. 209, 215, 215.

  Where then are these documents and why are they not presented amongst the Babylonian historical records today?

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  It seems poor doofus doesn’t understand that the total duration of Nebuchadnezzar’s reign (including any spurious 7 years of insanity) is the same in the JW chronology as it is in the actual chronology (necessitated by the Bible’s identification of Jehoiachin’s release from prison), though the JW chronology moves it 20 years earlier and messes up the order of events at the beginning of his reign. So the only way to ‘account for the seven years’ in any meaningful way is to specify a range of years, otherwise someone (if they believed it was a real period) could just assert that the 7 years of insanity was ‘some time after 587 BCE’

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  It seems that poor boofhead does not account or provide a complete account of Neb's reign omitting any reference to neb's missing 'seven years' which undermines the integrity of not only Neo-Babylonian Chronology but its history long championed by the likes of COJ .Thus one can construct a chronology based on this information as follows:

  Neb's dream in his 18th year -607 BCE

  Neb's vacancy after 12 months - 606 BCE

  Neb's restoration after 7 years - 599 BCE

  scholar JW
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  Jeffro

  ‘scholar’:

  According to the Old Greek translation of Daniel in Daniel 4:1 Neb had the tree dream in his 18th year and 12 months later the experience of the dream was realized.

  He was besieging Tyre then (i.e. 12 months after 587 BCE).

  It is tiresome that you don’t understand what the book of Daniel is actually about.

  https://jeffro77.wordpress.com/2014/05/10/seven-times/

  https://jeffro77.wordpress.com/daniels-dreams-and-visions/
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  scholar

  Jeffro

  He was besieging Tyre then (i.e. 12 months after 587 BCE).

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  Does that mean you have two contradictory accounts?

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  It is tiresome that you don’t understand what the book of Daniel is actually about.

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  The book of Daniel is about one thing and that is God's kingdom.

  scholar JW

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  Jeffro

  Does that mean you have two contradictory accounts?

  Of course not. Daniel isn’t a historical account. You do not understand what the book is actually about.

  And the Watch Tower Society acknowledges the relative timing of the siege on Tyre (though it erroneously claims it was against the mainland city, which was actually Ushu).