Just because Jehovah had to prove His Right To Rule? I don't think so!

by liam 129 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Sea Breeze

  @TonusOH
  
  Again, you are talking about a different god, than God. This IS your premise, indicated by your use of the little "g".

  God is described as omnipotent, omniscience, and omnipresence. Just googling "definition of God" produces:
  

  noun

  1. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe,

  Why isn't the definition that everyone else uses good enough for you? Doesn't make any sense does it?

  This is the primary tool of deception that the Watchtower uses. For instance, Heb. 11: 15 says that Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant. The WT has denied Justification through the new covenant since the 1930's to new converts.
  
  However, if you ask a JW if Jesus is their Mediator, they will lie, and claim that he is, even though they reject the new covenant at each memorial, which is what he mediates. They change the definition of the word mediator (without letting others know) to mean a mediator of prayers, pointing out that they end their prayers with we-ask-all-this-in-Jesus-name-amen. The position of mediator in the NT is defined as applying to the new covenant, not prayers.
  
  They do this because they know that no one in their right mind would reject Jesus as their Mediator "for forgiveness of sins" (Mt. 26:27-28) So, they change the meaning so they won't appear like a satanic cult that rejects Jesus.
  
  Your mind functions similarly when it has anything to do with God. I give you lots of thumbs up on most of your posts that don't have to do with God. But, when it comes to God, your mind is just broken. You are using the same sleight of definition trick that we we all subjected to from WT.
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  Duran

  I don't deny the possibility that a god (or gods) may exist, as this is something impossible to disprove.

  Another well put reply.

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  Can anyone that believes in YHVH prove that he exists? Has he ever spoken to you?

  Can anyone that believes in Jesus prove that he exists? Has he ever spoken to you?

  Does anyone that believes in YHVH or Jesus believe that Jupiter god exist? If not, can you prove he does not exist?

  Does anyone that believes in YHVH or Jesus believe that Zeus god exist? If not, can you prove he does not exist?

  Does anyone that believes in YHVH or Jesus believe Brahma god exist? If not, can you prove he does not exist?
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  TonusOH

  Sea Breeze: God is described as omnipotent, omniscience, and omnipresence.

  How does this address any of my points about the nature of this god? All of these qualities are compatible with a being who wants his creation to suffer, who sees suffering as an important and valuable trait. This utterly unstoppable and irresistible force even arranged to be tortured to death by his lowly creation, a completely unnecessary experience, to address a problem with his design in the most round-about fashion.

  We can settle on any definition of god that you want. None of them address the problems that arise when we look at his actions and consider what they tell us about him.
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  Sea Breeze

  We can settle on any definition of god that you want.

  @TonusOH - Are you good with the commonly accepted definition of God: The Supreme Being who is omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent?
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  Sea Breeze

  @Duran,

  All people know God exists. There has never been a culture yet discovered without a belief in God. The evidence for God is seen by the things he has made. To deny this is to believe in miracles without a miracle worker.; which I might point out is infinitely more difficult to believe in....

  Atheist Miracles Include:
  
  

  Matter produces information

  
  

  Order comes from Chaos

  
  

  Life comes from non-life

  
  

  Personal come from Non-Personal

  
  

  Morality comes from Nothing

  
  

  Reason comes from Non-reason

  
  

  
  
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  Halcon

  I said, I am judging him by his actions and by his words.

  And so, would you choose sides with him?
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  Halcon

  Can anyone that believes in YHVH prove that he exists? Has he ever spoken to you?

  You ask this with the belief that communication is only achieved thru speech. But you know already that this isn't true in the physical world. In fact all of us here are communicating perfectly well without speech. Without making a single sound.

  "The word of God is living" for a reason.

  If you can accept that there is an aspect of reality that cannot be seen, heard, touched or even proven..which are our thoughts and emotions, which are the most real parts of ourselves, then it's not a stretch to believe in the existence of God.
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  KalebOutWest

  Sea Breeze stated:

  All people know God exists.

  Erich Fromm, the founder of Jewish Humanistic theology, set forth the idea that Jewish monotheism is actually designed to counter all belief in and the worship of deities of every kind, including the concept of the God of Abraham.

  Jewish monotheism, Fromm posits in his works, was like training wheels to learn to be "godly," as worship of any god was the equivalent of an adult living in the basement of the parents' house and never learning to live on their own. People are designed to be "God" in the world, for the world, to their neighbors, for one another, not to bow down to one. Religion and its dogma cause only confusion, stupidity, and the retardation of human capacity to be in the "image of God," so to speak, as the mythology of Genesis put it.

  Jewish monotheism had no image in its shrine, uttered no name for its God, claimed ineffable the concept of the Deity they promoted. The Talmud claims no attributes for God.

  Jewish thought condemns the view that people naturally accept gods in the Torah. Fromm agreed.

  All people do not believe in this concept of One personal deity to replace what they believe in. Even Christians believe in a God of a Triune nature made up of three distinct divine Persons (the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Father, neither the Holy Spirit, etc., but still one God). People have multiple deities, various ideas, worship conflicting concepts.

  People tell lies in their arguments. Christians are some of the biggest among the theists when it comes to falsehoods. "We didn't screw your children when you weren't looking because we're ministers of Christ! We didn't put that baby in that furnace to be burned with the trash hoping nobody would find it! We told everyone nothing about 1975 being the end of days! I didn't know the girl was 14 when I married her!"

  All people do not know God exists. Since when? That is a lie.

  A lie, lie, lie, lie, LIE!
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  Sea Breeze

  @KalebOutWest

  All people do not know God exists. Since when? That is a lie.
  

  People are designed to be "God"

  So you do belive in God.

  You are making my point is that atheism, as you put it: "and its dogma cause only confusion, stupidity, and the retardation of human capacity" by believing in miracles without a miracle worker:

  Matter produces information

  Order comes from Chaos

  Life comes from non-life

  Personal come from Non-Personal

  Morality comes from Nothing

  Reason comes from Non-reason

  What data leads you to believe that any of these atheist fantasies could possibly be true?
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  TonusOH

  Sea Breeze: Are you good with the commonly accepted definition of God

  Yes, we can use that definition.

  Halcon: And so, would you choose sides with him?

  I don't see what difference this makes.