The Holy Spirit... and DOES God Speak to Us? (page 13)

plmkrzy

For instance, when the Bible says that the soul is in the blood, does that mean the mind, body, heart and "what not" are inside of the blood?

Maybe it means that God knew people had no concept of the existence of DNA yet. After all, our individual DNA is our own personal blueprint. But who the ~~hell~~ heck would ever understand such a thing in those days?

UnDisfellowshipped

Also, Noko, the Hebrew word for "soul" (nehfesh) does not always mean the mind and heart of humans, because look at these Verses:

Genesis 1:20-21: And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life [nehfesh / soul], and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature [nehfesh / soul] that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Genesis 1:24: And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature [nehfesh / soul] after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

Animals are called "souls" (nehfesh), so my point is, that the word "nehfesh" ("soul") can have several meanings in the Bible.

noko

Good UDF, you just showed that the soul does not depart from us when we die because it is us that are souls that dies the same way as any animal.

Ec 3:19	Because the fate of the sons of men and the fate of the beasts is the same. As is the death of one so is the death of the other, and all have one spirit. Man is not higher than the beasts; because all is to no purpose.
Ec 3:20	All go to one place, all are of the dust, and all will be turned to dust again.
Ec 3:21	Who is certain that the spirit of the sons of men goes up to heaven, or that the spirit of the beasts goes down to the earth?

Read again UDF, Man is not higher than beasts, all go to one place, dust. The death of us is the same as the death of an animal and ALL HAVE ONE SPIRIT. Ec 3:21 Is a rhetorical question with the obvious answer that the Spirit is the gift of all life or breath from God and it goes back to him when we or an animal dies.

Now the sacrafice deals with life UDF, the life is in the blood, the true drink the spirtual blood of Christ in which he died once as the Bible says. When you sacrafice an animal the spirit returns to God, when Christ sacraficed himself his spirit returned to God. It is the spirit that matters, not the flesh.

Now you keep bringing up Rev 6:10, now you answer me, who are these souls preserved at Gods altar? What relationship do they have with Christ?

noko

hmmm, thought so.

Christ died, meaning he didn't always exist, meaning the trinity doctrine is what it always has been, a lie.

ballistic

On the subject of "is the Soul... what not?"

I would like to comment that while what the soul is what what not was not, it cannot be what what not was when it was not. For the Soul to be what you think it was when what not was not, it would have to be something other than what not especially when what was not 'what not' wasn't soul when what I thought not was.