The Holy Spirit... and DOES God Speak to Us? (page 2)

StinkyPantz

AGuest my dear, your post scares me. God is talking to you? I am a psych major and your words sound all to familiar. This might seem hard to accept, but I am really concerned about you. I honestly think that you should visit a therapist and share these stories with her, to see what she thinks. Just be careful.

UnDisfellowshipped

AGuest said:

entertain that the Son of God, the Christ, is a demon, such as the word denotes a wicked spirit or false light. I am sorry, but I cannot.

AGuest, I have never once, nor will I ever, say that Christ is a demon. I will never even think such a thing.

I simply said that I believe that the voice you are hearing is from a demon.

Whatever it is from, I do not and will not believe that Jesus Christ is blaspheming Himself or His Scriptures and talking only to you (and a couple others).

funkyderek

For more on Shelby's relationship with Robert Bryant and why I'm so concerned, see http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/23997/1.ashx

When I was still in the organization and first started to tell folks that I was 'hearing', and what I was hearing, Robert came to see me. He lived just 'up the hill' from me (I live in Sacramento). Why did he come? Because he was 'hearing', too. And he had had a couple of visions, which he understood very clearly, but was afraid to tell anyone about. He had heard about me, and at the behest of his grandmother wanted to see what I was about and maybe talk to someone who could understand what was happening to him. This was in 1997.

AGuest

Be "concerned" then, FD... for I will not deny my love for my brother, nor the truth of what drove him to his actions, no matter HOW you wish to see it. Robert was one of THE most gentlest men I knew... and I WARNED him not to tell the elders what was occurring with him. But... he still believed that they were God's chosen (anointed) people... that they would "hear" the truth of what he had experienced and welcome him openly. They welcomed him... with a judicial committee of 12... count 'em... TWELVE... "elders/co's". He didn't stand a chance. He didn't know that would actually be reporting to the Pharisees of this day... whose very vocation would be to seek a means to kill him... just as their forefathers killed the prophets before him.

They told him to STOP speaking to me and others... and to STOP speaking about what he had seen and heard. He tried. I did not see him after that, for I did not want to be the excuse for the trouble they were causing him in his life. They ruined his business and his family, and had I been around they would have said... of course... that "Jehovah" was punishing him in some way for such association. They would have NEVER attributed it what they themselves were doing... slandering and defaming him... so much so that at some point, even he believed it. To get away from their abusive talk... he moved his family to Oregon.

But... obviously, Oregon wasn't far enough away: those people invested a LOT of time... and MONEY... into confusing his wife... and persuading her to leave him... and take the kids. His family was all he left at that point... all that they hadn't yet taken from him. And the thought of letting them go BACK to that false christ with its false prophets... was more than he... as a man, as a husband, as a father... and as a TRUE servant of God... could bear.

If you also read my post on this matter, you will see that I did not CONDONE what Robert did - however, knowing Robert... knowing what had occurred... knowing that they had pushed him to a point of being TOTALLY alone... and how many others that organization has pushed to the same brink, with suicide as the result... I absolutely understood. And thus, I pray for my Father's MERCY to be upon my dear brother in Christ.

In CONTAST... I have NO fear of them... just as I have none of those here. My faith wasn't built on listening to misled proselytes... or self-righteous Pharisees. Praise JAH... it is true they tried the same with me; however, there are those who KNOW me... who know of what I speak... for either it has occurred with them, too, and they choose not to speak of it... or my Lord has given them proof. My family... and friends... are quite strong in THEIR faith... and are loyal to my God... and my Lord. They are not worried... or "concerned"... about me.

Therefore, please... do not lie on me, dear FunkyD. Do not insinutate or intimate... about me... or Robert... or that which YOU have NO knowledge of and obviously do not understand. For it is UNKIND... and quite UNloving.

A slave of Christ,

SJ

TR

AG said:

... was more than he... as a man, as a husband, as a father... and as a TRUE servant of God... could bear.

Now, I know that people make mistakes, but a "TRUE" servant? If he was that in tune with God, so that he had conversations with God, you'd think that multiple murder would be the furthest thing from his mind.

Please read Amazings thread on "Doubting Thomas".

TR

peacefulpete

Simon..I feel very sincerely that this has turned into cult recruitment. Aguest is not a simple exJW having questions or complaints, she is delusional and dangerous. Already Noko and others have expressed a degree of infatuation with her and her claims to hear from God personally. Please consider if in fact you wish to be party to this.

StinkyPantz

I agree w/peaceful pete, I fear that if AGuest isn't outright lying about her experiences (talking to God), she might be suffering from a mental disorder. Schizophrenics specifically have grandiose ideas about themselves (talking to God or being God). I primarily think that she is a danger to herself because quite often the voices "turn on" the sufferer, but secondarily anyone that believes her claims. This is scary.

Joker10

If something similar were to happpen to mem would I be frighten!

noko

Good grief, if there is such a thing, anyways if Christ comes knocking on your door looking for you??? hmmm, what's you going to do? Wouldn't you find it more stranger if no one heard from Christ? Then again maybe you should ask yourself why Christ isn't talking to you? Sometimes I think some want Christ to remain in a book which can be neatly folded up and stored on a shelf and taken out for certain days of the year or maybe to parade the good big leather bond book in front of an audience ready to fill the baskets full of bread, oops, I mean money. Wan't it surppose to be the other way around on the last thought? As for the sanity part, you just might have it backwards by the way as in some heart medication could cure you. Watch how you treat the person knocking on your door, it could very well be an angel, a saint or above and indeed some manners would be best on your part.

Aguest, broad and narrow are the paths, I wouldn't expect too many to follow the narrow path. True and everlasting comfort comes from our Lord JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH. Peace and love from your Brother Dave.

As for the rest of you, I believe her.

wednesday

I have decided i do not need to suffer to serve God. ,There is no hell, there is no Big A. all that matters is how we treat others in this life b/c this is all we get. I think i agreee with him. Now i serve God and lead a good life-just b/c it is the right thing to do and will benefit me-not b/c i fear going to hell or dying at the big A. this all seems so much more simple,and reasonable. I found some info at www.simple-wisdom.com. The idea is to get off your knees and help others. God wants us to help others. We get this life to make the best out of it.

The Holy Spirit... and DOES God Speak to Us?

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