The Holy Spirit... and DOES God Speak to Us?

by AGuest 128 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Hamas
    Hamas

    I have great trouble accepting the whole concept of the trinity.

    I know what you think it is. The idea of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are three seperate persons that unite to make one Godhead. But to me, this defiles logic.

    To state Jesus was God in flesh is wrong, in my opinion. If he was God in flesh, why didn't he just say it ? Why did he refer to God as 'his father'. Why would he not know the hour of judgement, where as his father does? None of these things make sense.

    Jesus didn't call himself God anywhere in the bible. The whole idea of the trinity is nonsense, brought about by early church leaders eager to use manipulation to twist scripture to their liking. I can't put faith in something that doesn't give any help back.

  • DJ
    DJ

    Hamas,

    Basically that is the wt arguement. Phillipians teaches that Jesus Humbled Himself and took the form of a servant. He became flesh and in doing so he became like us. He was still the Word of God but in the humbled state of the flesh. The Word of God is not to be taken lightly at all. The bible teaches in the OT and the NT that the heavens and earth were created by the Word of God. "Let there be light", etc...He spoke and it came to be! love, dj

  • Hamas
    Hamas

    Well, whatever floats your boat DJ.

    He may do wonders for you, but he's not done a lot in that capacity for me!

    I'd rather believe he is God's prophet, in no way do I believe he was God.

    But if that works for you, good luck to you. At least we are both away from the Watchtower.

    www.escapethewatchtower.com

  • DJ
    DJ

    Hamas,

    just a prophet, not even God's unique Son?

  • Hamas
    Hamas

    He never said he was God's son, DJ

    I would rather take what he says as a primary source of judgement, wouldn't you ?

  • DJ
    DJ

    YES He did Hamas........where did you get that one???????? Matt 11:27-29 There are more, I will post them later if you want...I am going to play with my little boy right now. I am neglecting him today...

  • Hamas
    Hamas

    Ok.

    But I must say,

    In Matthew he was speaking of himself as the son , hence 'son of man' not God's son.

  • amicus
    amicus

    Greetings to those of you whom I have never met, and a big howdy to my old buddys. Sorry I have been away for so long. After coming to the realization here that the WTBTS was not what it claimed to be, I felt the need to isolate myself from the opinions of others to determine what I could believe (if anything) concerning religion. It was somewhat of a rocky road but eventually I was able to sort things out to my satisfaction. That was quite some time ago and I have long since revisited this great site. Sadly (well sad for me, probably gleefully for some of you) my aol dialup connection only allowed me to lurk and not post. I had disconnected my cable and dsl (three different computers) as I found I was spending too much time indoors. I finally decided dialup was not cutting it so once again I have dsl (WOOHOO!).

    Of course this means that now, once again, I get to sing the "I-can't-believe-I-actually-posted-that" morning after blues.

    I would like to suggest to those of you who do have shingles to hang displaying your credentials in the mental health profession to please do so before offering a diagnosis of SJ's mental health. To those of those who do not, please....well you get my point. I am not a mental health professional but my x earned her phd in that field and I think it's safe to say there are enough unqualified "papered" psychologists around to offer opinions without having to listen to unqualified, untrained armchair psychologists.

    To those who suggested that Simon lock this thread for fear that SJ might form a cult....hmmmm, are you singing the "I-can't-believe-I-actually-posted-that" morning after blues?

    SJ,

    I think you joined the board shortly after I left. I haven't read all your posts, but I have enjoyed the ones I have read. Your explanation of the 144,000 and the Great Crowd in Revelation being holy ones (anointed) was pretty much how I understood the text as I prayerfully reread the Bible with an open mind ante WTBTS. I loved your explanation of Christ being small and not physically appealing. This makes perfect sense to me. It reminded me of complaints my x would make about being judged by her appearance. She was extremely attractive and found her peers, students and patients quite often tried to "hit" on her or flirt with her rather than allow her to do her job as a psychologist. Sadly, most of us judge others by looks. It would be quite logical for Christ to be unappealing to our eyes to require his followers to use their hearts instead. Your explanation of Christ taking on the illnesses of others was beautiful as well. It puts the miracles in a totally different light. Who wouldn't cure lepers, the blind, etc. if they could....unless they had to be afflicted with some measure of the infirmity. How much love that would take!

    I'm sorry to hear about your friend from the Shingle Springs congo, I know some familys from there and they are a pretty dysfunctional bunch..maybe it's the water. Hmmm, maybe that's why I like your posts, I'm from the Sacto area also. Naw, nevermind, it can't be the water. I don't drink tap water....maybe... it's the air? Yea, that's it! Drop me an email sometime, I'd love to chat ([email protected]).

    Heh, so does this put me in the AGuest cult? Sorry, only one cult per lifetime for me thanks. Honestly, I think Shelby would be the first to dissappear is she really thought someone was goofy enough to try to form an AGuest cult. Hummm, does have a nice ring to it though....Cult of the AGuest.

    The weather is beautiful here today, low 80's with a light delta breeze. I'm off to kayak Lake Natoma (one of the best kept Sacto secrets) for a while, I'll check back later to apologize to any I might have offended.

    Bobby

  • KGB
    KGB

    I don't think that God literally speaks to us but I do believe that his Holy spirit works on our minds and our conscience, you know kinda like that little voice that says "yeah go ahead and do it" "or no better not or I will get in trouble for that" In that manner yes I think so but if your hearing real voices I think you need to see a Doctor !!!

  • Hamas
    Hamas

    Welcomeback bobby !

    Never heard of ya mate, but I'm sure that you are one of the good guys !

    La via esta duro, amigo

    www.escapethewatchtower.com

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