HELP ME... (page 2)

Swan

Are you for real Northern Girl? I'm not trying to dis ya, just trying to understand where you're coming from. Why would you tell this poor woman to keep studying? You were DFed for smoking. You are being shunned. The shunning bothers you so much that you haven't sought reinstatement for two years after quitting smoking. You instead visit and post on an apostate web site. So why would you tell her to keep studying and that her husband is doing the right thing, knowing firsthand that pain and that someday she could be shunned for a similar infraction of JW rules? There is something I'm missing here. Please explain further.

Tammy

Country Girl

As far as I see it, you have two choices. Stick with him and be a JW, or otherwise get outta dodge. If yer a JW you''ll be miserable trying to live up to their standars. If you don't decide to do that, then you'll be an outcast. My chhoise is: get outta there.

cg

Nosferatu

Northern Girl, I just couldn't ignore your post.

I've quit smoking for nearly 2 years now but being reinstated requires attending meetings while everybody shuns you and I'm just not capable of accepting this treatment. Oh well ......

Now I have to ask you this question, doesn't it feel terrible to be shunned? You know very well in your heart that you're trying to get back in Jehovah's good graces, and there seems to be noone there to support you. All you see are people ignoring you. Doesn't that feel rotten?

Now, let's say you do get reinstated. You've rejoined the congregation and you're very happy. Then, you see someone else sitting at the very back of the hall, trying to get re-instated as well. Everybody is shunning her. You could encourage her, but that would be a disfellowshipping offense for you. You're now back on the other side, and you've become one of the ones who makes people feel terrible for trying to get back into Jehovah's good graces. Is this true Christian love?

northern girl

Hi again, I simply say that I very much regret getting disfellowshipped. If I were in this ladies' position I'd be very happy. The position I'm in doesn't allow me the freedom to go back. It's true that I'd have a hard time , say in some future place having to shun someone because it has been the most horrible thing that has ever happened to me. I don't question the rules for JWs, just my ability to comply. That's my weakness, not a reflection on the WTS. I think we are all allowed our own opinion and this is mine.

Garnet

Nosferatu,

Just wanted to say that you raise an excellant question, the same that my mom (who never was a JW) had asked me when I decided to "fade".

Garnet

Hamas

Pooh, welcome , we greet you with open arms.

What you and your husband are embarking on is very serious. To come on to this site, and talk to people that have been there and done it is a massive bonus for you. I applaud you for coming here.

As we have had first hand experience of being Witnesses, please take our advice. You are going to hear lots of evidence that points you away from the truth, into the pit of lies that the Watchtower has created. We strongly urge you, Pooh, not to listen to this propaganda and do your utmost to find out the real truth about the Watchtower.

Help your husband to see the same light. Once touched by this watchtower poison, it is very difficult to break free. But you must do this early. Please, take our advice and learn now about the errors and lies of this cult. Your husband may want to get involved because he also has been touched by this propaganda, and he knows nothing of the real truth.

Please take your time to learn the real truth.

I strongly recommend you learn about this, because it will change and ruin your life.

Here is a good start http://www.escapethewatchtower.com/Is_Watchtower_truth.htm

Please, understand what we are saying and escape now while it is not to late.

northern girl

Swan

You asked why I searched out an apostate website but Pooh did ask for answers from any JWs. Not that I am one anymore but she must have expected a JW to give her advice by asking for advice from this site.

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KenUK

Hi Pooh & Northern Girl,

As one of the most prolific posters here (not!) may I welcome you. Mainly a lurker and happy to read and follow threads..

Pooh - ouch - I have no advice - perhaps a tad of sympathy - having spent the first 33 years of my life as a jw and the last 10 not, prepare for a lifestyle change.

Northern Girl - perhaps I have more to say (and I'm qualified coz I'm from Newcastle!!).

Apostate site - perhaps the expression that brings the fear into many jw's perhaps a few ex jw's too. Relevance for saying this - just finished a phone call from my dad (a jw) who wants to visit me with the Presiding Overseer (who d/f me 10 years ago) - the jury is out at the moment on this. In our chat I mentioned the fact that a) the arrogance of todays jw puts me off as those who represent the "truth" and b) I have some genuine questions about the belief's of jw's, that, if asked, would constitute apostasy. e.g. 1914 - the generation that saw 1914 would see Armageddon. I have a genuine problem with that - is that apostasy?? As a jw 10 years ago I would have challenged anyone who questioned my beliefs as a a jw as apostasy but actually its a reaonable question - one that we'd encounter when door knocking. So why can't a jw ask it? My dad says they can ask it - oh yeh?

So Northern Girl - not an attack (I'm purely non judgemental - or a fence sitter) but being here last couple of years has shown a bunch of genuine guys (some ex jw's, some still in there) who have real problem with jw's and their beliefs. Many may be genuine some may not but "jehovah" gave us that free will - don't knock it.

Couple of final conclusions - as a jw I was so proud I was so humble - ouch - and b) as I wish I had, challenge the jw beliefs, not for the point of necessarily destroying, but for your own logical piece of mind.

Phew

Us Northern men don't talk this much!

Swan

Northern Girl,

You asked why I searched out an apostate website but Pooh did ask for answers from any JWs. Not that I am one anymore but she must have expected a JW to give her advice by asking for advice from this site.

I didn't ask that. If you look at my post again you will see that what I wanted to know is why you gave her such bad advice after going through what you have gone through and obviously no longer being JW?

So why would you tell her to keep studying and that her husband is doing the right thing, knowing firsthand that pain and that someday she could be shunned for a similar infraction of JW rules?

You basically posted on an apostate website, said you couldn't take the shunning, but that she should study and pretend that everything her boyfriend was doing was great. I just wanted to know why you would tell her that.

Tammy

Brummie

(((((pooh))))

((((northern girl)))))

You both need a hug, unfortunatly you will not get one from JWs because their self rightous judgments outweigh any love they pretend to have.

Pooh, in the long run it would be best to never join the JWs because one day if you decide to leave you will lose everything and your hubby will be supported and encouraged if he decides to shun you. You will be viewed as "spiritual endangerment" and the marraige bed will become a lonely place. I'm sorry that you are in this situation. Dont join, just agree to disagree.

Brummie

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